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Conflict in the Middle East

If all Palestinians leave Gaza, are Israel then allowed to claim the land?

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TERFCat · 19/05/2024 08:28

Sorry, for the simplicity of what I'm saying. I'm new to this and trying to learn. Smile

From what I've seen, many Palestinians in Gaza are being moved to camps elsewhere. Sadly, many have been killed too.

The photos of the area suggest that much of Gaza is ruined and will need to be re-built.

If hypothetically all Palestinians were moved elsewhere, would Israel then be able to "claim" Gaza? Would the UN etc be allowed to stop them? Would the West Bank be able to claim it?

Any insight appreciated?

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Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:50

@Livelovebehappy I'm surprised you haven't seen that shocking bbc article where Israeli whistle-blowers exposed the torture carried out

Medical workers in Israel have told the BBC that Palestinian detainees from Gaza are routinely kept shackled to hospital beds, blindfolded, sometimes naked, and forced to wear nappies – a practice one medic said amounted to “torture”.

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:54

ohthejoys21 · 26/05/2024 08:42

This. Israel doesn't want the land, it wants to ensure murderous terrorists aren't able to get back in and drag its citizens back to be raped and tortured again, and to stop the constant shelling into its country.

So that conference that happened not long ago about establishing settlements in Gaza, that was attended by numerous members of the Israeli government was just for fun?
There might be some who don't. But there's plenty of evidence of others who do.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:54

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:46

I asked you to provide evidence to your statement, and I quote, "And hopefully the palestines would then realise that it was Hamas who handed it to Israel on a plate."
But instead you deflect this by accusing me of denying what happened on 07/10.
You would have to be blind to deny it. I have my eyes wide opened to the horrors inflected on that day by Hamas and to the daily horrors that the Israeli government are bringing on the Palestinians. Both are revolting. Both should be condemned. Don't you agree?
Still waiting for that evidence. It's going to be a long wait.

The evidence being what happened on October 7th - without that, none of what happened since that date would have happened. Thousands of Palestinians would still be alive and living in Gaza. Hamas have brought these deaths on their people. Absolutely wrong that you are not holding them to account for this.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:55

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:39

Full of hate to tell it how it is? The events on October 7th happened. If Hamas truly wanted to retaliate here, they would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military, not some young festival goers who have no agenda in any of this, and who maybe even had some sympathy with the Palestinians. So no, retaliation was not against the Israeli military, but was a horrible opportunity Hamas took to rape and murder easy targets.

They would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military.
You appear to be ill informed on the attacks. Hamas did attack military bases as well as civilians. I always make a point to check my facts before voicing my opinion as I don't want to come across as ignorant. I advise you to do the same.
How the Hamas attack on Israel unfolded | Reuters

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:56

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:50

@Livelovebehappy I'm surprised you haven't seen that shocking bbc article where Israeli whistle-blowers exposed the torture carried out

Medical workers in Israel have told the BBC that Palestinian detainees from Gaza are routinely kept shackled to hospital beds, blindfolded, sometimes naked, and forced to wear nappies – a practice one medic said amounted to “torture”.

And that’s evidence? Coming from the BBC?

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:58

@Livelovebehappy there you go, you will do anything to excuse the actions of the IDF and the Israeli government even when it's staring at you right in the face.
Even when it is Israelis themselves who are exposing it

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:59

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 08:55

They would have targeted government buildings or the Israeli military.
You appear to be ill informed on the attacks. Hamas did attack military bases as well as civilians. I always make a point to check my facts before voicing my opinion as I don't want to come across as ignorant. I advise you to do the same.
How the Hamas attack on Israel unfolded | Reuters

Ah, so that makes it okay then. As long as they intended to attack the military as well, it’s absolutely fine to take out some civilian festival goers along the way. Okay……

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 09:02

@Livelovebehappy You can admit that two things are wrong at the same time. That the Hamas attack was a horrendous act of terror. And that there has been numerous instances exposed of where the government and IDF have acted in a horrific manner.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 09:03

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 08:58

@Livelovebehappy there you go, you will do anything to excuse the actions of the IDF and the Israeli government even when it's staring at you right in the face.
Even when it is Israelis themselves who are exposing it

I have been vocal in also calling for a peaceful resolution in this. Israel have repeatedly asked for the release of the hostages, then they can sit down, with mediation from other countries, to discuss the Palestine situation going forward. Yet Hamas are refusing to do so. Why? Surely, if there are hostages remaining, they would do that and sit down to discuss, to avoid further deaths. Why do you think they are refusing to do this?

Parkingt111 · 26/05/2024 09:06

@Livelovebehappy that wasn't what I was discussing with you though. You were told of an incident. You asked for proof. Your immediate reaction was to dismiss it despite it coming from Israeli whistle blowers.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:07

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:54

The evidence being what happened on October 7th - without that, none of what happened since that date would have happened. Thousands of Palestinians would still be alive and living in Gaza. Hamas have brought these deaths on their people. Absolutely wrong that you are not holding them to account for this.

There is no point engaging with you because it appears that you find it difficult to understand that the Israel government's response to the attack is disproportionate, indiscriminate and, above all, illegal.
Every nation has a right to self defence but none has the right to deliberately starve, withdraw the basics for life and target anything and everything they wish to.
Hamas is responsible for 07/10 and Netanyahu for the hell he is unleashing on children. We are all responsible for our actions. "They made me do it" is used by children, not by democracies.

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:09

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 08:59

Ah, so that makes it okay then. As long as they intended to attack the military as well, it’s absolutely fine to take out some civilian festival goers along the way. Okay……

I am starting to believe that you have difficulties with comprehension.

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 09:13

Laura Norda and Live love be happy is just two of you. You're the delusional ones, trying your hardest to convince us that Israel is just defending themselves or they don't want the land.
They want the land, Netanyahu stated it himself. They will start taking over the land and "rebuild it".
Thinking you can fool us here, you're the fool. Both of you.

Liv999 · 26/05/2024 09:50

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:07

There is no point engaging with you because it appears that you find it difficult to understand that the Israel government's response to the attack is disproportionate, indiscriminate and, above all, illegal.
Every nation has a right to self defence but none has the right to deliberately starve, withdraw the basics for life and target anything and everything they wish to.
Hamas is responsible for 07/10 and Netanyahu for the hell he is unleashing on children. We are all responsible for our actions. "They made me do it" is used by children, not by democracies.

@Auvergne63 100% correct

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 10:29

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 09:13

Laura Norda and Live love be happy is just two of you. You're the delusional ones, trying your hardest to convince us that Israel is just defending themselves or they don't want the land.
They want the land, Netanyahu stated it himself. They will start taking over the land and "rebuild it".
Thinking you can fool us here, you're the fool. Both of you.

I would rather stand alone in opposing these terrorists rather than jump on the trendy bandwagon like you.

You probably turn a blind eye to the cowering mods on here who pull any post that even slightly critisises hamas or gazans compliance with them.

If Israel really wanted this postage stamp piece of land, why pull out in 2005?

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 10:32

You call it trendy Laura Norda, I call it genocide.
Killing children everyday and trying to defend them is a trend to you. Not to me. Terrorist that started and terrorists that keep murdering. For the land. Keep replying, exposing yourself and what a fool you are.

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 10:34

Trendy???? Wtf?

79Helene · 26/05/2024 10:43

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 10:34

Trendy???? Wtf?

Trendy is not a word I would have used, but given that you don't think twice about spreading rape denial on other threads, you might want to sit your faux shock out on this one.

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 10:44

One thread. I got it wrong and I apologised.

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 11:10

79Helene · 26/05/2024 10:43

Trendy is not a word I would have used, but given that you don't think twice about spreading rape denial on other threads, you might want to sit your faux shock out on this one.

Rape denial? I bet you can't link to a single instance of me doing that.

79Helene · 26/05/2024 11:13

@LauraNorda I bet I can't either, because I wasn't aiming that at you, which I think was pretty obvious.

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 11:13

justaanothermum · 26/05/2024 10:32

You call it trendy Laura Norda, I call it genocide.
Killing children everyday and trying to defend them is a trend to you. Not to me. Terrorist that started and terrorists that keep murdering. For the land. Keep replying, exposing yourself and what a fool you are.

Yes, everything you just said is true of hamas and you keep defending them. It is not me that is being exposed.

BibiSuzanne · 26/05/2024 11:21

79Helene · 26/05/2024 11:13

@LauraNorda I bet I can't either, because I wasn't aiming that at you, which I think was pretty obvious.

It was aimed at me and I had apologised

LauraNorda · 26/05/2024 11:56

79Helene · 26/05/2024 11:13

@LauraNorda I bet I can't either, because I wasn't aiming that at you, which I think was pretty obvious.

@79Helene Now that I have noticed you were replying to BibiSuzanne, who would absolutely say such things, I understand your annoyance.

In fairness to BibiSuzanne, at least she apologised but people should really check their sources before posting such falsehoods.

Livelovebehappy · 26/05/2024 13:34

Auvergne63 · 26/05/2024 09:09

I am starting to believe that you have difficulties with comprehension.

No. Unfortunately it’s you who has trouble with comprehension. I have an opinion. You have a different one. As with other similar posts to this, there really is no point in debating with people who are so blinkered, in their own echo chamber. A point that has been ignored - why do you think Hamas are refusing to release the remaining hostages? They released the others some weeks ago. Israel have asked for their release so that a cease fire can be put in place. Hamas could, as they did with the others, negotiate to release some of the jailed Palestinians in exchange. My opinion is that the remaining hostages have been murdered, or been raped and tortured in captivity, and to release them would expose Hamas for the savages they are. I’m guessing you will say that of course there are none, because Israel killed them accidentally as they were collateral damage during the bombings. I would disagree on the basis that had this been the case, Hamas would have already declared this. Ironically, we are both wanting the war to stop, but both have different views on how this should be achieved. I say, release the hostages, and then sit down at the table to discuss with third party mediators. You say stop the bombings with hostage release not being a condition, because apparently their murders and torture were necessary to get the terrorist’s point across, and so don’t matter.

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