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Conflict in the Middle East

Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

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KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:08

@twinklestar10
There is a saying: ”Be careful when fighting monsters; you do not yourself become one.”

Yes, the Israeli government is doing inhumane acts, potentially war crimes, and has some really bad war mongering people among its leaders, but that is not reason to call for the destruction of the entire country- the blood of thousands of innocent Israelis cannot be washed away by the blood of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians which cannot be washed away by the blood of millions of innocent Israelis. Peace is what we need to be pushing, not escalation and revenge.

25milesfromhome · 01/04/2024 23:13

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Tell us you know nothing about Mizrahim without telling us you know nothing about Mizrahim. Where should they go when they’re not allowed to go back to where they came from?

twinklestar10 · 01/04/2024 23:13

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Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:17

@twinklestar10 I feel the pain in your words, but getting yourself banned from here for hate speech isn't going to help anyone, and that's what's likely to happen if you say these things.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:17

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You can’t destroy an entire country without killing a lot of its citizens. That’s not preposterous, but cold hard reality.

Russia is in the middle of destroying Ukraine, do you think no one is dying?

Try reading history, no country is destroyed without massive bloodshed of innocent citizens.

kasstherito · 01/04/2024 23:20

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Where should Israelis who are born in Israel go back to?

twinklestar10 · 01/04/2024 23:21

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kasstherito · 01/04/2024 23:21

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:56

The problem with this interpretation is that then the Likud party manifesto which also says from the river to the sea would be calling for the destruction of the Palestinian Territories too? “Between the sea and the Jordan [river] there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

This is really tiresome. Both Israeli lands and Palestinian lands, as recognised by the United Nations, go from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea.

It is widely acknowledged this phrase is used to mean freedom and self rule by both Israelis and Palestinians.

Widely acknowledged by whom? Certainly not the poster I was responding to.

25milesfromhome · 01/04/2024 23:22

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:17

@twinklestar10 I feel the pain in your words, but getting yourself banned from here for hate speech isn't going to help anyone, and that's what's likely to happen if you say these things.

Where’s the pain in their words? There’s just pure hatred and total ignorance.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:25

@twinklestar10
No one is defending any atrocities happening in this war to either side, you are by calling for yet more of the same in an escalating tit for tat.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:27

kasstherito · 01/04/2024 23:21

Widely acknowledged by whom? Certainly not the poster I was responding to.

By the majority. The poster is an extremist outlier.

Comedycook · 01/04/2024 23:27

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So is that ALL Israelis that you hate then? Babies and children too?

kasstherito · 01/04/2024 23:27

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:27

By the majority. The poster is an extremist outlier.

The majority of who? I wasn't aware there was a poll done.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:28

kasstherito · 01/04/2024 23:27

The majority of who? I wasn't aware there was a poll done.

You can judge based on your sample of 1 extremist poster, soon to be banned, on mumsnet if you like. No need for a poll.

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 23:32

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:17

@twinklestar10 I feel the pain in your words, but getting yourself banned from here for hate speech isn't going to help anyone, and that's what's likely to happen if you say these things.

I’m concerned that on another thread this poster states that they direct discussions in school on the conflict.

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:34

@twinklestar10 It is heartbreaking.

Hate won't help, though. Hate just continues the cycle. The only way to break the cycle is to prioritise peace over vengeance.

Israel has a right to exist. It needs to exist. It is the only Jewish country in the world. The people living there, whether they moved there or were born there, have a right to exist and to live in their home country - Israel.

Feeling angry at the Israeli government, at the IDF, that's one thing. But to take it to the extremes of wanting Israel itself not to exist? That's hate, and all that brings is more darkness and pain to a world that's already got too much of those in it.

Comedycook · 01/04/2024 23:34

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 23:32

I’m concerned that on another thread this poster states that they direct discussions in school on the conflict.

It's shocking

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 23:35

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I don’t think you should be leading discussions in school on this topic if you are feeling so (understandably) distressed and emotional.

kasstherito · 01/04/2024 23:36

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 23:28

You can judge based on your sample of 1 extremist poster, soon to be banned, on mumsnet if you like. No need for a poll.

You're the one claiming that a consensus had so.ehow been reached at some unspecified time by some unspecified majority.

Comedycook · 01/04/2024 23:37

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 23:35

I don’t think you should be leading discussions in school on this topic if you are feeling so (understandably) distressed and emotional.

They also stated that they hate Israelis. What if they had an Israeli pupil? I'm not sure I want any teachers to actively hate an entire nation.

twinklestar10 · 01/04/2024 23:38

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Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 23:38

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 23:34

@twinklestar10 It is heartbreaking.

Hate won't help, though. Hate just continues the cycle. The only way to break the cycle is to prioritise peace over vengeance.

Israel has a right to exist. It needs to exist. It is the only Jewish country in the world. The people living there, whether they moved there or were born there, have a right to exist and to live in their home country - Israel.

Feeling angry at the Israeli government, at the IDF, that's one thing. But to take it to the extremes of wanting Israel itself not to exist? That's hate, and all that brings is more darkness and pain to a world that's already got too much of those in it.

Thank you for your calm and thoughtful responses. It’s a terrible situation and it’s so understandable that people feel emotional and angry so it’s good to have calm voices

Comedycook · 01/04/2024 23:41

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So you hate Israelis...you said that in an earlier post. But you have now caveated that by saying not babies and children. So at what age would you start to hate them?

greenlettuce · 01/04/2024 23:57

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The appalling Nazi regime was aiming at extermination of an entire race, Hitler wanted world domination of the Ayran race. There is no parallel

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