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Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

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Dibilnik · 01/04/2024 11:31

@Scirocco Are you saying that there is nothing traumatised about IDF soldiers? That the events of 7 October are unlikely to have touched them personally in any way?

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 11:32

Are you saying that about people calling for ceasefires?

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 12:46

Scirocco · 31/03/2024 20:05

It's not an anti-Israel march.

It's a march calling for a ceasefire and an end to this conflict.

But can you understand why the use of swastikas mean that it looks like an anti Israel march?

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 13:08

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 12:46

But can you understand why the use of swastikas mean that it looks like an anti Israel march?

You say that like it's an accepted practice rather than something which is clearly unacceptable.

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 13:13

I do have some sympathy with the police in that managing large public demonstrations and keeping order can be sensitive and complex . CCTV can be used to track down people who have caused an offence with banners etc at a later date - as I think happened here? Maybe the police on the ground have to focus on any actual physical threats in the moment.

greenlettuce · 01/04/2024 13:14

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:40

Ok, if you are going to assume meanings attributed to symbols, what should a policeman do to someone waving an Israeli flag at a "pro-Palestine" march? It could be argued that to many there it is the symbol of an oppressive regime who are breaking international law. Would that be seen as inciting hatred? It's dangerous to try and police symbols as the only thing we will gain is more division.

There is quite a big difference between the Nazis swazstika and the Israeli flag. The Nazis killed 6million jews, gypsies and other minority groups, set up concentration camps to carry out their extermination of an entire race.

Limesodaagain · 01/04/2024 13:15

Scirocco · 01/04/2024 13:08

You say that like it's an accepted practice rather than something which is clearly unacceptable.

No - I’m definitely not saying it’s an accepted practice. But even one swastika turns a peaceful March for a ceasefire into something that looks anti Israeli

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:10

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:02

Yes it is. The Hindu usage too.
And also not expected to be seen at a pro-Palestinian march because what would it be signifying?

Peace?

Just because Nazis’ appropriated Indian symbology, reversed it and rotated it 45 degrees, doesn’t mean the original Buddhist swastika (which means well-being and all that is good) is now also a symbol of hate.

Many people can’t tell the difference in the symbols. If it were the original swastika, it’s not anti-Semitic. If it’s the Nazi corrupted, stolen, reversed and rotated swastika, then it is anti-Semitic.

They are more different from each other than a b is from a d.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:17

takemeawayagain · 31/03/2024 16:30

That is both shocking and really embarrassing. Terrible that it was allowed to go on, no question that it was antisemitic and the policeman made every ridiculous excuse he could not to do anything about it, 'I can't move from this spot' - really??!! I think he just didn't really give a shit and didn't want to get involved. And I say that as someone who is not Jewish and does not support Israel/Netanyahu.

It wasn’t allowed to go on? The person had already been arrested when the woman was doing the video. The police can’t be the court magistrate and decide innocent or guilty.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:21

BethDawn · 31/03/2024 16:31

This is disingenuous. That question was tagged onto another quote from a PP who said that they didn't know the context it was used in and the police would have to asked why they did not consider it anti-Semitic, rather than pro-Palestinians. That failure, right there, to condemn the swatiska by that poster tells you everything you need to know about the casual acceptance of anti-Semitism by too many on the pro-Palestinian side.

So the context was still very much within this March, and the poster claiming they didn't have the 'context' to comment on whether this swastika was anti-Semitic was a revolting apologist for blatant and outright anti-Semitism of the worst kind.

So, yeah, it a bit disingenuous to then pop up with 'helpful' replies about Buddhism and Hinduism when you know quite well what the context was that question was framed within.

There is no such thing as “the swastika” as if there were only one swastika with one meaning in existence. It is a fair question to ask which swastika was on the placard?

caringcarer · 01/04/2024 22:23

The London police all seem to be afraid of the Palestinian protesters so stand by and they fo what they like. Only a few weeks ago the very offensive quote from the rivers to the seas was projected on a public building. The police did nothing to stop it happening.

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KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:32

Has anyone seen confirmation as to whether the alleged Nazi type of swastika was held by a person on the Pro-Palestinian side or the Pro-Israeli side? I ask because I have seen placards saying Hamas are Nazis with the Nazi swastika behind the red ban symbol drawn over it. 🚭 like this no smoking sign.

Comedycook · 01/04/2024 22:39

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Bringing the holocaust into this discussion is something I find deeply offensive. You can discuss what is happening without referencing it.

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kasstherito · 01/04/2024 22:49

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Because it means that the area from the River and the sea should be Palestine. E.g. the destruction of Israel.

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Comparing the situation in Gaza with the holocaust is seen as a form of holocaust inversion. There are many interesting articles online about the issue.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:56

kasstherito · 01/04/2024 22:49

Because it means that the area from the River and the sea should be Palestine. E.g. the destruction of Israel.

The problem with this interpretation is that then the Likud party manifesto which also says from the river to the sea would be calling for the destruction of the Palestinian Territories too? “Between the sea and the Jordan [river] there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

This is really tiresome. Both Israeli lands and Palestinian lands, as recognised by the United Nations, go from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea.

It is widely acknowledged this phrase is used to mean freedom and self rule by both Israelis and Palestinians.

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:58

@twinklestar10
You go too far. Calling for any country to cease to exist and be destroyed is hate speech. I have reported your post.

Comedycook · 01/04/2024 23:00

KestrelMoon · 01/04/2024 22:58

@twinklestar10
You go too far. Calling for any country to cease to exist and be destroyed is hate speech. I have reported your post.

As for the go back to where they came from comment....I'm utterly speechless.

I saw on another thread that poster is a teacher btw.

Hélène79 · 01/04/2024 23:02

@twinklestar10 Ironically, you're demonstrating exactly why Israel needs to exist.

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