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Conflict in the Middle East

Thousands leave Gaza City after Israel leaflet drop urges them to

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Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 19:47

BBC news verify tonight.

Thousands of Palestinian people leaving Gaza City on foot. Lots of movement.

Israel has been dropping leaflets urging they move south. Thousands are doing so safely.

They are taking on Hamas and pleased that people are moving so not to be caught up in the fighting. People are walking in their thousands.

One lady said they walked past tanks 'from both sides'.

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EasterIssland · 08/11/2023 22:06

They’re bombing the whole country which is small anyway so there is not safe place in Gaza

Thousands leave Gaza City after Israel leaflet drop urges them to
FOJN · 08/11/2023 22:07

One lady said they walked past tanks 'from both sides'.

Am I the only one confused by this?

OuiOuiKitty · 08/11/2023 22:09

FOJN · 08/11/2023 22:07

One lady said they walked past tanks 'from both sides'.

Am I the only one confused by this?

Maybe they meant tanks on both sides, like both sides of the road?

ketchup07070 · 08/11/2023 22:10

@FOJN Me too. I thought Hamas had a couple of motorbikes and maybe a few old bangers?

Finteq · 08/11/2023 22:11

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 20:14

Hamas and Israel's army are fighting. Lots of relief that thousands and thousands of people are moving. I hope masses of aid can be brought in to them urgently.

The Palestinian people will need lots of help to rebuild their country.

They won't be allowed to move back in.

Livinginanotherworld · 08/11/2023 22:12

Nabka 2023 This is ethnic cleansing in its purest form, it’s heartbreaking watching all those people being moved off their land. How can you possibly think this is a good thing ?

ketchup07070 · 08/11/2023 22:13

Finteq · 08/11/2023 22:11

They won't be allowed to move back in.

I read today that Israel has already given licences to BP and others to start drilling for oil/gas off Gaza coast. I don't know what that means for Gaza's people, but it seems like it's going to be part of the equation.

Livinginanotherworld · 08/11/2023 22:21

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 21:30

That cannot happen. That would be unthinkable 😪

It’s all unthinkable, but it’s happening in plain sight, in front of the entire world. They said “never again” …

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 22:23

Finteq · 08/11/2023 22:11

They won't be allowed to move back in.

I hope your wrong. They must be allowed back

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Parkingt111 · 08/11/2023 22:29

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 22:23

I hope your wrong. They must be allowed back

It's a possibility that they won't unfortunately
And that's if they even survive the rest of the war, the south is not safe either

EasterIssland · 08/11/2023 22:32

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 22:23

I hope your wrong. They must be allowed back

Who is going to force Israel to allow them back in to the houses Israel has destroyed ?

beAsensible1 · 08/11/2023 22:36

Lol how are Hamas getting tanks?

squirrelslikenuts · 08/11/2023 22:51

@Namesbeenchanged
Is Israel going to vet and approve the Palestinian new government, that worked so well in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians should have the right to choose their own government.
And who is going to pay for the destruction of Gaza?

LittleGreenDragons · 08/11/2023 22:52

beAsensible1 · 08/11/2023 22:36

Lol how are Hamas getting tanks?

Those tunnels are rather large...

Pinkdressinggownbelt · 08/11/2023 23:21

HeidiInTheBigCity · 08/11/2023 20:33

... when people watch ethnic cleansing live on TV and genuinely think it is some sort of a "good" or "humanitarian" thing!

OP, you are watching a war crime in action!

I felt chills running down my spine as I was watching those people - on foot (they do have cars, you know, there is just no fuel left!) waving white flags, marching towards the South (which has been heavily bombarded, you know). Scared and starved into abandoning their homes with only what they could carry!

I have seen such pictures before. They were all in my history books, back when I was a mere school girl. None of the accompanying texts was a happy story!

So so sad

WilmaWonka · 08/11/2023 23:23

The IDF have a history of warning civilians to evacuate which can be easily researched. Phone calls to civilians are also not a new thing.

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

This is interesting as it details the strategies that Hamas have used again in this current conflict including the use of distressing images to control the narrative (note Israel does not publish pictures of its dead), and so create pressure for a ceasefire and the use of AMBULANCES to transport Hamas operatives going back to 2004!

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

squirrelslikenuts · 08/11/2023 23:39

@WilmaWonka
The IDF have a history of shooting dead young people who throw stones at them. They have loads of young Palestinians in Israeli jails, often with no charge.

So this pathetic warning is neither here or there after the 4 weeks of bombarding a largely civilian population, to get at Hamas.

Following orders to massacre whole families in a trapped population, whilst destroying their housing and businesses is so wrong. I still think there were better ways of extracting Hamas, without killing half the population indiscriminately.

Also, at what time does Israel accept that Palestinians are entitled to be treated as equals and humans, who can choose their own destiny and government.

Rubbishagain · 09/11/2023 00:15

Alifestylechoice · 08/11/2023 20:47

Good. I hope Hamas are wiped off the face of the planet and the people can return home under the new proposed Palestinian Authority government.

I don’t think Israel have any intention of letting the Palestinians come back to their land. This is genocide and ethnic cleansing. Israel can now access the oil.

PostOpOp · 09/11/2023 07:13

FOJN · 08/11/2023 22:07

One lady said they walked past tanks 'from both sides'.

Am I the only one confused by this?

I've coincidentally just seen the clip with English subtitles on Al Jazeera. She actually says the word "sides" (plural). Like there are tanks on all sides, or tanks at the sides. She does not say "both sides".

I speak Arabic. It's clear in Arabic, ambiguous in English.

And it's obviously only Israeli tanks because Palestinians don't have any. And you can be absolutely certain of that, because Israel would NOT be quiet about it: we'd have been shown images to prove they're not civilians.

Shows just how important good translation is though! It's a real skill and is exactly who automated translation is problematic.

youngones1 · 09/11/2023 07:42

Livinginanotherworld · 08/11/2023 22:12

Nabka 2023 This is ethnic cleansing in its purest form, it’s heartbreaking watching all those people being moved off their land. How can you possibly think this is a good thing ?

This is awful, it is genocide and all with our PM's blessing, what a tragedy.

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 07:59

Parkingt111 · 08/11/2023 21:44

Has it ever once occurred to you that you can express sympathy for what the Palestinians are going through and still be anti Hamas
The scenes witnessed today were extremely upsetting
Do we have to make it into a competition
I have seen many Jewish and pro Israelis who have shown alot more empathy for the Palestinians than you have

I think it was a valid thing to point out. If you insist on flooding threads with blow-by-blow newsflashes, you have to accept a variety of responses to them. This is supposed to be a discussion forum, not a closely controlled public broadcast service.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 08:33

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 20:19

Diplomats suggested that Hamas cannot be part of any plan moving forward.

Hoping that an international agreement can be made. Including no forceable removal of people or long term occupation so Palestinian people can return.

Do you really believe they will let the Palestinians back? You actually believe that?
Once they’ve bombed the crap out of that place they still won’t stop the atrocities on the Palestinians, another convenient reason will emerge and they will continue with the genocide. Only time it will stop is when there are no Palestinians who want a free Palestine left. Not about destroying Hamas. Just wait and watch.

caringcarer · 09/11/2023 08:33

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 20:28

Interestingly Hamas are not happy with people moving to safety. Hamas have made a statement that 'the UN is involved in the forced evacuation of Gaza City'. Do they not want their civilians to be safe!!!!!!!! Beggars belief.

Ukraine wanted their civilians to be moved from.harms way so the army could fight. Hamas appears not to want that!!!!

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Of course Hamas don't want the civilian population of Gaza to move out safely to the South of the country. They would lose their human shield living in Gaza and lose protection of their tunnel system under the city. The UN are right to make them move out to safety.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 09/11/2023 08:37

And Hamas are going no where. You know all the young men and children that have lost everything? Their family, homes and every reason to live? They are the next Hamas. The biggest difference between them and the Israelis is that such Palestinians are not afraid of dying.

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