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Conflict in the Middle East

Thousands leave Gaza City after Israel leaflet drop urges them to

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Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 19:47

BBC news verify tonight.

Thousands of Palestinian people leaving Gaza City on foot. Lots of movement.

Israel has been dropping leaflets urging they move south. Thousands are doing so safely.

They are taking on Hamas and pleased that people are moving so not to be caught up in the fighting. People are walking in their thousands.

One lady said they walked past tanks 'from both sides'.

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Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 21:05

dadoodoodoo · 08/11/2023 20:22

What about those who can’t leave? You have to be pretty physically able to leave on foot. And I hope at least they stop bombing the south.

I don't know, the story didn't go into much detail. Sorry

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PurpleChrayne · 08/11/2023 21:05

@Toothyfruity , I was going to PM you but I feared it might come across as aggressive. I just want to know - I see your posts across many of the threads to do with Gaza. What has made you so virulently anti-Israel and (dare I say) anti-Semitic?

HeidiInTheBigCity · 08/11/2023 21:06

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 20:57

Fleeing from Israel then. I dont assume they support Hamas so from the fighting generally. I am guessing that many just want to be safe and keep children safe and are very scared. I have no idea what they think, just hope that aid, food, medical supplies are there for them. I've never been in a war zone thankfully.

Ukraine is different in many ways but getting civilians out meant less civilians die!!! I understand now that Ukraine is pushing Russia back many civilians have or are returning

... there is no food in the South. No medical aid. No water. No shelter. No safety!

There is regular bombing in the South. As a matter of fact, as of a few days ago, some 30-40% of the fatalities had occurred in the South!

There is no Safety in the South! No comfort, no rest!

And, yes, I have been to a war zone - I was fucking scared all the fucking time! I thought I was going to die every single day! It was a DAY IN THE PARK compared to what is Gaza in 2023!

pickledandpuzzled · 08/11/2023 21:06

Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Israel wants to destroy Hamas. Hamas is nested throughout Gaza.

It’s better the civilians are able to leave than trapped among it- and perhaps it will focus international minds on sorting out a solution.

No one has the right to that land, or they all do.

Alifestylechoice · 08/11/2023 21:06

@HeidiInTheBigCity having relatives in Israel I know quite a lot about it all. And have for years.

ketchup07070 · 08/11/2023 21:07

It's disturbing seeing the men stripped to underpants, blindfolded and hands tied behind backs.

Reallifelurker · 08/11/2023 21:07

Agree that the Palestinians will probably end up being driven out of Gaza and Israel will finally have that bloody beach resort they’ve always wanted.

That’s assuming they actually managed to get rid of Hamas.

ketchup07070 · 08/11/2023 21:08

Or were they women? Hard to tell as journalists were not allowed to go close up.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 08/11/2023 21:11

Alifestylechoice · 08/11/2023 21:06

@HeidiInTheBigCity having relatives in Israel I know quite a lot about it all. And have for years.

Then you must also know that the PA is extremely corrupt, has systematically been undermined by Netanyahu during his ~15 years as PM (I mean, heck, he bolstered Hamas to weaken them further, and that is not MY opinion, you can read that in the Israeli press ...) and that ...

... handing over to the PA basically boils down to "a continuation of the status quo", which, at the end of the day, will inevitably remain explosive!

I really just think that both Palestinians and Israelis deserve something A LOT better!

Personally, I favour a one state solution - but I know that is considered a "far left" take. Any actually workable two state solution will do! Perpetuation of the status quo will not!

Cuddlecouch · 08/11/2023 21:14

On this episode of black mirror.....

Good grief, the level of delusion and depravity in some of these comments. Reminds me why I stay away from mumsnet these days. Zionism is evil, it is despised throughout the world, anyone with any sanity is sick of the sight of dead innocent people being bombed by a fascist Israeli regime. Even the Israeli people have had enough. But mumsnetters are cheering on the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

As a Jewish person I'm sickened by the last month. I'm distraught at seeing people forcibly removed from their homes and lives. Absolutely sick. Yes, I'm also sickened by the hamas attack, but I will not compare a terrorist attack after 75 yrs of brutal occupation with a genocide of mainly children. There is no comparison. Sickening.

Ratsoffasinkingsauage · 08/11/2023 21:14

I’m sorry but has everyone screaming ethnic cleansing on this thread seen the statements from Hamas leaders that they don’t care about their own people- that they are happy to let them die as part of their holy war. It’s not like they are not being their true intentions.

The only gullible and naive people here are the ones who believe that it is possible in a bombed out war zone with no power (which people repeat all the time so they are well aware) that anyone other than Hamas (who have stockpiled fuel for generators) are posting updates and pictures from inside Gaza. How the hell are these images and testimonies getting out unless they are being sent by the only people with access to power?

I’d really like to know what proportion of the reported 10,000 killed were Hamas fighters. They are reporting all deaths as civilian which is absolutely impossible and done to cover up just how much they are using their own people as human shields.

VeronicaM27 · 08/11/2023 21:16

Oh aren't Israel so kind to be dropping leaflets. I'm sure they're just so relieved that people are moving away from Hamas so they don't have to bomb the living shit out them like they've been doing for the past month. They're just big teddy bears really.

For the record OP, your feigning ignorance is blatantly obvious.

Ratsoffasinkingsauage · 08/11/2023 21:18

Hamas have so far fired over 9,000 rockets into Israel. Without the iron dome the slaughter would be very much equal. Stop pretending there is only one aggressor here.

Superfoodie123 · 08/11/2023 21:18

Do people really still think this is about hamas? OP you are naive. Hamas and israel are not having street fights around civilians. Civilians are getting bombed left right and centre on the off chance they might get hamas. But the truth is israel want Palestinian land. And they are getting it clearly. I can't believe people don't see what's happening here

Toothyfruity · 08/11/2023 21:19

PurpleChrayne · 08/11/2023 21:05

@Toothyfruity , I was going to PM you but I feared it might come across as aggressive. I just want to know - I see your posts across many of the threads to do with Gaza. What has made you so virulently anti-Israel and (dare I say) anti-Semitic?

Please don't PM me. This is the second thread that you've singled me out on - I think in the other one you were saying I was ill informed and over-emotional or something among those lines. I ignored you then and I would like to ignore you now I but when you accuse me of racism I have to respond to your nonsense.

I am not anti-semitic. I am anti-Zionist because I come from a country that was invaded and colonised and I empathise with other people who have experienced this.

I also am not brainwashed by Zionism so I can recognise genocide and ethnic cleansing when I see it. I am sorry that you can't do that and have to resort to calling others "anti-semitic" when I tell the truth about what Israel is doing.

If the murder of 10000 civilians isn't something to get exercised or emotional about I don't know what is. People justifying genocide make me sick.

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 21:19

Toothyfruity · 08/11/2023 20:33

@Namesbeenchanged maybe you shouldn't start threads about things that you know nothing about. Or maybe you're pretending to be clueless I'm not sure.

What you are looking at is ethnic cleansing. These people are stateless so if they did somehow manage to leave the country like the Ukrainians did, they can never go back.

They can't leave Gaza though, so they are all being squashed down into the bottom 30% of the strip in Rafah and Khan Younis. And those cities are also being bombed so they're not moving to safety.

Don't you think that the country bombing them should take some responsibility for this?

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Bloody hell it's a chat thread on mumsnet!!! I don't pretend to work for the UN. There's hundreds of threads on here discussing alsorts.

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Cleanmean · 08/11/2023 21:20

Truly upset to see so many people forced out of their homes to the south where this maniacal regime will bomb them all to death.

How on earth can anyone inhabit this graveyard. Why celebrate? Building homes on more stolen land amid the ghosts of the innocent people you occupied and killed. Enjoy your new resort on birthright trips everyone. Thank god people are waking up to this absolute insanity.

Alcemeg · 08/11/2023 21:20

BethDuttonsTwin · 08/11/2023 21:02

maybe you shouldn't start threads about things that you know nothing about.

People can start threads and discuss whatever they want to, whatever their level of “knowledge” around the subject matter. Also not agreeing with your opinions doesn’t mean they “know nothing”. No one knows the full story, not even sanctimonious MNetters sat on their laptops in Slough.

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OuiOuiKitty · 08/11/2023 21:22

The Palestinians I've seen on social media are all very upset about this. They feel, and I don't blame them, that this is another Nakba. Very hard times for them.

VeronicaM27 · 08/11/2023 21:23

Superfoodie123 · 08/11/2023 21:18

Do people really still think this is about hamas? OP you are naive. Hamas and israel are not having street fights around civilians. Civilians are getting bombed left right and centre on the off chance they might get hamas. But the truth is israel want Palestinian land. And they are getting it clearly. I can't believe people don't see what's happening here

I think they do see what's happening. I think they know Israel wants rid of the Palestinians once and for all. They know that because that's what they want too. They can't come right out and say that thought can they? Of course not. Instead they tie themselves in knots defending the indefensible.

notsoready4school · 08/11/2023 21:23

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 19:47

BBC news verify tonight.

Thousands of Palestinian people leaving Gaza City on foot. Lots of movement.

Israel has been dropping leaflets urging they move south. Thousands are doing so safely.

They are taking on Hamas and pleased that people are moving so not to be caught up in the fighting. People are walking in their thousands.

One lady said they walked past tanks 'from both sides'.

The horrors, difficulty and depravity that awaits them in south Gaza is nothing to look forward to. they are not being evacuated to comfy hotels. south Gaza is being bombed as well. Will Israel ever even allow them back

LittleGreenDragons · 08/11/2023 21:24

Theimpossiblegirl · 08/11/2023 20:16

If they're allowed back in. Which I don't think is the plan.

That was my immediate thought too. My second was they are being grouped into a larger mass for bombing. Another refugee camp scenario. Poor buggers 💔

Toothyfruity · 08/11/2023 21:25

Namesbeenchanged · 08/11/2023 21:19

Bloody hell it's a chat thread on mumsnet!!! I don't pretend to work for the UN. There's hundreds of threads on here discussing alsorts.

Yeah. I think we can take it that you're letting on to be ignorant. If you were genuine you might react to the whole ethnic cleansing thing.

VeronicaM27 · 08/11/2023 21:26

Ratsoffasinkingsauage · 08/11/2023 21:18

Hamas have so far fired over 9,000 rockets into Israel. Without the iron dome the slaughter would be very much equal. Stop pretending there is only one aggressor here.

No it wouldn't be pretty much equal. Hamas use home made rockets that do a fraction of the damage that Israel's bombs do.

ketchup07070 · 08/11/2023 21:26

@LittleGreenDragons Oh god.

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