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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

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NancyPreg · 28/08/2009 08:19

Today's list:

Sunshine15 TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD48
tobago04 TTC#3 Cycle 2 UCL37? CD38
HellsNB TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL40 CD36
Mampam TTC#3 Cycle 2 UCL??? CD34
Mickbell TTC#1 Cycle 8 UCL26-29 CD34
wickedwitchsouthwest TTC#2 Cycle5 UCL29-32 CD34
aideesmum TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD34
TheKurgan TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD33
FactsAndFigures TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD33
sky27 TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL24? CD31
lucylev TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD31
pinkmushroom TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD30
theowlwhowasafraidofthedark TTC#2 Cycle 3 UCL35 CD30
fotheringhay TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28? CD29
Gingerbics TTC#2 Cycle 6 UCL30ish CD28
leonifay TTC#1 Cycle 3(post mc) UCL30-31 CD28
Ladylou83 TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28-36 CD27
claireinthecom TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL29-30 CD27
PistachioLemon TTC#1 Cycle 9 UCL24-35? CD27
Medee TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD24
Eveywoo77 TTC#2 Cycle 3 (clomid) UCL25-30 CD23
Nicadooy TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL?? CD22
UmBongo TTC#2 Cycle 15 UCL31 CD22
Firerise TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD22
bluesnowfalcon TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL30 CD21
NewMember TTC#1 Cycle 6 UCL24-28 CD21
Mumabee TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL27-28(or is it 37?), CD21
LastTrainToNowhere TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD20
Liahgen TTC#6 Cycle 7 UCL26 CD18
bubbalewy TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD18
Kaylo TTC#3 Cycle 1 UCL29 CD18
PigleyChez,TTC#2 Cycle 1, UCL28 CD 17
Beanmum TTC#2 Cycle 5 UCL24-25 CD16
giantjamsandwich TTC#4 Cycle 7 UCL30 CD16
kkas TCC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD16
HarryJoesMummy TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL28 CD15
ilove2shop TCC#1 Cycle 9 UCL27 CD15
Loujalou TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL24-28 CD15
zayja TTC#1 Cycle 4 UCL26-28 CD15
CurlyCasper TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD15
SnowBunny1 TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL? CD14
Lizkin TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL28-32, CD12
Spirael TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL27.5 CD12
Sweetpeasmum TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD12
sayanything TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL26-28 CD12
pepperonipizza TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD12
shesadiamond TTC#1 Cycle 10 UCL27-29 CD11
mummydemma TTC#3 Cycle 2 UCL28-33 CD10
skihorse TTC#1 Cycle3 (p-mc) UCL28 CD6
ImmaterialGirl TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD6
MrsRigby TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD?
Applesaretheonlyfruit TTC#3 Cycle 1 post July mmc UCL28 CDnobloodyidea

Graduates
Gargula BFP 10th Aug
Lizzie9442 BFP 21st Aug
Morefaith BFP 21st Aug
Boodleboot BFP 22nd Aug
Bettymamma BFP 24th Aug
memorylapse BFP 25th Aug
sweetkitty BFP 27th Aug
KayStar BFP 27th Aug
NancyPreg BFP 28th Aug

SK and morefaith I would like to join in the hand-holding!

OP posts:
Ladylou83 · 03/09/2009 21:14

Maybe it is bad mood day?

I take it were all at the last part of the cycle? I tend to have 1-2 days of bad mood that leads to crying for a day, then AF arrives. Back to work 2moro, so if the tears arrive there, then the pilots better keep out my way.....grrrrrrrrrrrrr , at least its coming to an end. Then I can have one normal week where I dont obsess about being pregnant

bubbalewy · 03/09/2009 22:10

Hi all im clinging to the fact that my last 2cl have been 22days im now on cd24 my opk didnt show a high so i was thinking i havent ov this month, but ya know when you cling to every little thing hoping that it may be BFP had few aches like af was on way couple of days ago but nothing as yet.. can some1 tell me im being stupid PLEASE and to bring me back down to earth :/ iv not even done much BD, what am i thinking arggggghh

bubbalewy · 03/09/2009 22:11

Hi all im clinging to the fact that my last 2cl have been 22days im now on cd24 my opk didnt show a high so i was thinking i havent ov this month, but ya know when you cling to every little thing hoping that it may be BFP had few aches like af was on way couple of days ago but nothing as yet.. can some1 tell me im being stupid PLEASE and to bring me back down to earth :/ iv not even done much BD, what am i thinking arggggghh

LastTrainToNowhere · 04/09/2009 01:50

Day 26, gave in and did a test BFN

I'm not giving up hope till AF comes but I'm angry with myself for giving myself bad news. Does that make sense?

30ish · 04/09/2009 07:01

Ladylou83 and MrsRigby - thank you! I think the mn ovulation calculator is definitely wrong then - for me by 1 day Ladies please check before using it!

MrsRigby · 04/09/2009 08:55

Morning. Still no period . I'm giving it until CD50 and then I'm going to the doctors.

Friday's list:
Sunshine15 TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD55
Mickbell TTC#1 Cycle 8 UCL26-29 CD41
aideesmum TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD41
FactsAndFigures TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD39
lucylev TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD38
pinkmushroom TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD37
theowlwhowasafraidofthedark TTC#2 Cycle 3 UCL35 CD37
MrsRigby TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD35
Gingerbics TTC#2 Cycle 6 UCL30ish CD35
leonifay TTC#1 Cycle 3(post mc) UCL30-31 CD35
Ladylou83 TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28-36 CD34
PistachioLemon TTC#1 Cycle 9 UCL24-35? CD34
Medee TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD31
Eveywoo77 TTC#2 Cycle 3 (clomid) UCL25-30 CD30
Nicadooy TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL?? CD29
UmBongo TTC#2 Cycle 15 UCL31 CD29
Firerise TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD29
bluesnowfalcon TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL30 CD29
NewMember TTC#1 Cycle 6 UCL24-28 CD28
Mumabee TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL27-28(or is it 37?), CD28
LastTrainToNowhere TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD27
Liahgen TTC#6 Cycle 7 UCL26 CD25
bubbalewy TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD25
Kaylo TTC#3 Cycle 1 UCL29 CD25
PigleyChez,TTC#2 Cycle 1, UCL28 CD24
Beanmum TTC#2 Cycle 5 UCL24-25 CD23
giantjamsandwich TTC#4 Cycle 7 UCL30 CD23
kkas TCC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD23
HarryJoesMummy TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL28 CD22
ilove2shop TCC#1 Cycle 9 UCL27 CD22
Loujalou TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL24-28 CD22
zayja TTC#1 Cycle 4 UCL26-28 CD22
CurlyCasper TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD22
SnowBunny1 TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL? CD21
Lizkin TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL28-32, CD19
Spirael TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL27.5 CD19
Sweetpeasmum TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD19
sayanything TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL26-28 CD19
pepperonipizza TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD19
shesadiamond TTC#1 Cycle 10 UCL27-29 CD18
mummydemma TTC#3 Cycle 2 UCL28-33 CD17
skihorse TTC#1 Cycle3 (p-mc) UCL28 CD13
ImmaterialGirl TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD13
Mampam TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL??? CD11
Applesaretheonlyfruit TTC#3 Cycle 1 post July mmc UCL28 CDnobloodyidea

Graduates
Gargula BFP 10th Aug
Lizzie9442 BFP 21st Aug
Morefaith BFP 21st Aug
Boodleboot BFP 22nd Aug
Bettymamma BFP 24th Aug
memorylapse BFP 25th Aug
sweetkitty BFP 27th Aug
KayStar BFP 27th Aug
NancyPreg BFP 28th Aug
Meanbeansmum BFP 1st Sep

CurlyCasper · 04/09/2009 09:32

Morning. This list seems really top heavy! I'm on CD 22 and still towards the bottom. Think we must be due a wave of BFPs!!

Come on MrsR's period, don't make her go to the doctor...

Sweetpeasmum · 04/09/2009 09:52

Ho hum, still only CD 19. Where are those BFPs? Good luck to all those testers.

Ladylou83 · 04/09/2009 10:25

And still my bad mood continues!!!

I start work in 1hr and 40 mins. Do u think I could blag a day off due to horrid hormones? Already had one bickering match with DH who again was just checking im ok, feeling very guilty about it. But all the small things are really peeing me off!

MrsR fingers crossed you dont have to go to docs. I hate docs and avoid at all costs, but considering I havent had one cycle that is the same lenght, I might have to head off to see my evil doc soon, where no doubt they will want more of my blood that Im too scared to give.....grrrrrr

Will prob check in later, once finished work at about 11 tonight. hopefully bad mood will have gone by then, AF will going full steam ahead, and I can start planning next cycles shagfest!

LoobyLou82 · 04/09/2009 10:42

Hello folk,

Im back. Some people may remember me from june/july. Had a mc in July so decided not to ttc till after christmas but we have been naughty this month having sex on CD14 and CD15 so there is a chance of a baby

my stats are;
LoobyLou82 TTC#3 cycle 1 (post mc july) UCL28 CD22

Hello to everyone ttc, the new ones and the ones i already know. Glad to be back in the game as cold not really wait till after xmas if im honest. was itching to get started again. My youngest turned 1 last week and eldest ds is 2 3/4yrs

Loux

LoobyLou82 · 04/09/2009 10:43

Friday's list:
Sunshine15 TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD55
Mickbell TTC#1 Cycle 8 UCL26-29 CD41
aideesmum TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD41
FactsAndFigures TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD39
lucylev TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD38
pinkmushroom TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD37
theowlwhowasafraidofthedark TTC#2 Cycle 3 UCL35 CD37
MrsRigby TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD35
Gingerbics TTC#2 Cycle 6 UCL30ish CD35
leonifay TTC#1 Cycle 3(post mc) UCL30-31 CD35
Ladylou83 TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28-36 CD34
PistachioLemon TTC#1 Cycle 9 UCL24-35? CD34
Medee TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD31
Eveywoo77 TTC#2 Cycle 3 (clomid) UCL25-30 CD30
Nicadooy TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL?? CD29
UmBongo TTC#2 Cycle 15 UCL31 CD29
Firerise TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD29
bluesnowfalcon TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL30 CD29
NewMember TTC#1 Cycle 6 UCL24-28 CD28
Mumabee TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL27-28(or is it 37?), CD28
LastTrainToNowhere TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD27
Liahgen TTC#6 Cycle 7 UCL26 CD25
bubbalewy TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD25
Kaylo TTC#3 Cycle 1 UCL29 CD25
PigleyChez,TTC#2 Cycle 1, UCL28 CD24
Beanmum TTC#2 Cycle 5 UCL24-25 CD23
giantjamsandwich TTC#4 Cycle 7 UCL30 CD23
kkas TCC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD23
LoobyLou82 TTC#3 Cycle 1 (mc july) UCL28 CD22
HarryJoesMummy TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL28 CD22
ilove2shop TCC#1 Cycle 9 UCL27 CD22
Loujalou TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL24-28 CD22
zayja TTC#1 Cycle 4 UCL26-28 CD22
CurlyCasper TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD22
SnowBunny1 TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL? CD21
Lizkin TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL28-32, CD19
Spirael TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL27.5 CD19
Sweetpeasmum TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD19
sayanything TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL26-28 CD19
pepperonipizza TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD19
shesadiamond TTC#1 Cycle 10 UCL27-29 CD18
mummydemma TTC#3 Cycle 2 UCL28-33 CD17
skihorse TTC#1 Cycle3 (p-mc) UCL28 CD13
ImmaterialGirl TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD13
Mampam TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL??? CD11
Applesaretheonlyfruit TTC#3 Cycle 1 post July mmc UCL28 CDnobloodyidea

Graduates
Gargula BFP 10th Aug
Lizzie9442 BFP 21st Aug
Morefaith BFP 21st Aug
Boodleboot BFP 22nd Aug
Bettymamma BFP 24th Aug
memorylapse BFP 25th Aug
sweetkitty BFP 27th Aug
KayStar BFP 27th Aug
NancyPreg BFP 28th Aug
Meanbeansmum BFP 1st Sep

LoobyLou82 · 04/09/2009 10:45

congrats sweetkitty a +ve on my sons 1st birthday!

LoobyLou82 · 04/09/2009 11:07

just a quick question?

does anyone else get this with early pregnancy before they even get a bfp I have had 4 positive pregnancys (2 ended in mc) but the week before the bfp my pee smelt different, strong and sweet and just strong and different. Im not sticking my head down the toilet smelling it but its strong enough that you can smell it just when your on the loo. Does anone else get this?

bubbalewy · 04/09/2009 11:21

ive just accidently waxed half of my eyebrow off just thought id share that as we wait for our bfps lol
loobylou82 ..WELCOME BACK i have heard this is a symptom, apparantly where the body retains water when pregnant our weeee is not so dilute!! mine was like this couple weeks ago when i was ill though, so maybe its how the body changes with different changes.

ImmaterialGirl · 04/09/2009 11:49

Hi everyone,

Well, I caved in and left the conference a day early

MrsRigby I so know what you mean about just wanting to be at home and have babies!

Long story, but going to post anyway to vent my frustration!

So, I left for the conference this Tuesday morning, which was CD10. I've been using a Clearblue Fertility Monitor this month for the first time, and it was showing 'high' fertility, but I figured it would do that for a few days at least.
Then Wednesday morning (CD11) I get a 'peak' fertility and lots of creamy, almost foamy CM (sorry, TMI!).
I was giving a presentation that evening so couldn't do anything. Wanted to shout noooooo!!! and called DP in despair, but had to stay.
Yesterday morning (CD12) I got another 'peak' fertility on the monitor, and decided to go home early (for the career ladies out there, I am a little about this).
Anyway, National Express East Coast from Londong to Edinburgh yesterday was supposed to have me home in Edinburgh at 3.45pm. Then there was flooding at both Grantham and Berwick. I got home at sodding 8.15pm!!!!
I was stuck in a train for nine hours full of grumpy, stressed out people. At some point I wanted to stand up in the train and shout 'I AM OVULATING AND NEED TO BE INSEMINATED RIGHT NOW!!!' but not sure if that would have gone down too well.
Pluss I think DP would have been miffed

Anyway, point is I think I missed my chance this month. We did get down to it eventually last night and this morning, but from what I understand it's better to do it right before ovulation?

I know I'm lucky that everything seems to be in order and working the way it should, and I'm grateful for that. I'm just so frustrated about the absolutely worst possible timing of this conference and train delay!

Hope everyone have a good weekend!

Loujalou · 04/09/2009 12:00

Ok my list of "symptoms" on day 23 of a 26 (ish) cycle.

Funny taste in mouth comes and goes
Moody last weekend (could have been birthday blues)
Every so often it feels like someone is pinching my boobs. Boobs are also sensitive.
Also feels funny down below like I'm wet (definitely TMI!!!)
Tummy bit sensitive

Thinks its in my head but only a few days to go.

Bubbalewy Hope your eyebrow recovers soon, I did something like that! DUH!

How you all doing?

MrsRigby · 04/09/2009 13:20

ladylou83 I used to be REALLY scared of needles, but then once I got pregnant I had so many of them stuck in me that now I'm pretty much okay when it happens.

Just had the Ocado order delivered, amongst other things there were x2 big bars of Galaxy, x2 of Flake, Orio biscuits (I'm not a biscuit person and I've never eaten these particular biscuits before) and Green and Blacks hot chocolate...

Welcome loobylou82, I can see I'm going to get you and ladylou83 mixed up . When I was pregnant with DS one of the first things I noticed was my wee smelt really strong.

immaterialgirl I'd have done EXACTLY the same thing. Don't feel bad about it. DH knows I'm only using him for his sperm. It may sound stupid to leave work and not be able to get home and have sex, but when your TTC and you have a very limited window it's critical. My DH works away and has LOTS of team nights out/networking events etc where he drinks so much alcohol that he can't think about having sex, let alone actually do it and he comes home so late that I'm asleep anyway.

I'm never going to get pregnant. I'm fucked if I know how it happened last time. DS was a miracle. The Virgin Mary must have had PCOS and took metformin also - now I know how she felt .

loujalou you have a 26 day cycle? I HATE YOU . Good luck anyway, I've got my fingers crossed for you.

Surely it's about time there were some more graduates???

I just know I'm going to be on the July thread. I'm already on the June one .

MrsRigby · 04/09/2009 13:29

ladylou83, loobylou82 and loujalou - are you all the same person, just with slightly different names so you don't get embarressed about posting so much?

Loujalou · 04/09/2009 13:32

No I am only posting as me!!!!

lucylev · 04/09/2009 14:35

yum apple pie, enjoy it!

will let you know how i get on tomorrow and good luck to everyone else

Roll on 10pm home time for me and then two days of sloobing about off yay!

Ladylou83 · 04/09/2009 17:37

I think to help with the confusion I'll change me name to my actual name rather than my middle name. It might help.

Have snuck on at work. Mood slightly improved.

WELCOME BACK Loobylou82!!!!!!! Fingers crossed for you

Ladyemmalou83 · 04/09/2009 17:40

Ok, So I have changed my name to make it a bit easier with all the Lou's.

Friday's list:
Sunshine15 TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD55
Mickbell TTC#1 Cycle 8 UCL26-29 CD41
aideesmum TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD41
FactsAndFigures TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD39
lucylev TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD38
pinkmushroom TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD37
theowlwhowasafraidofthedark TTC#2 Cycle 3 UCL35 CD37
MrsRigby TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL? CD35
Gingerbics TTC#2 Cycle 6 UCL30ish CD35
leonifay TTC#1 Cycle 3(post mc) UCL30-31 CD35
Ladyemmalou83 TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28-34 CD34
PistachioLemon TTC#1 Cycle 9 UCL24-35? CD34
Medee TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD31
Eveywoo77 TTC#2 Cycle 3 (clomid) UCL25-30 CD30
Nicadooy TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL?? CD29
UmBongo TTC#2 Cycle 15 UCL31 CD29
Firerise TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL30 CD29
bluesnowfalcon TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL30 CD29
NewMember TTC#1 Cycle 6 UCL24-28 CD28
Mumabee TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL27-28(or is it 37?), CD28
LastTrainToNowhere TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD27
Liahgen TTC#6 Cycle 7 UCL26 CD25
bubbalewy TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD25
Kaylo TTC#3 Cycle 1 UCL29 CD25
PigleyChez,TTC#2 Cycle 1, UCL28 CD24
Beanmum TTC#2 Cycle 5 UCL24-25 CD23
giantjamsandwich TTC#4 Cycle 7 UCL30 CD23
kkas TCC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD23
LoobyLou82 TTC#3 Cycle 1 (mc july) UCL28 CD22
HarryJoesMummy TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL28 CD22
ilove2shop TCC#1 Cycle 9 UCL27 CD22
Loujalou TTC#2 Cycle 4 UCL24-28 CD22
zayja TTC#1 Cycle 4 UCL26-28 CD22
CurlyCasper TTC#1 Cycle 1 UCL? CD22
SnowBunny1 TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL? CD21
Lizkin TTC#1, Cycle 5, UCL28-32, CD19
Spirael TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL27.5 CD19
Sweetpeasmum TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL29 CD19
sayanything TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL26-28 CD19
pepperonipizza TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL25 CD19
shesadiamond TTC#1 Cycle 10 UCL27-29 CD18
mummydemma TTC#3 Cycle 2 UCL28-33 CD17
skihorse TTC#1 Cycle3 (p-mc) UCL28 CD13
ImmaterialGirl TTC#1 Cycle 2 UCL28 CD13
Mampam TTC#3 Cycle 3 UCL??? CD11
Applesaretheonlyfruit TTC#3 Cycle 1 post July mmc UCL28 CDnobloodyidea

Graduates
Gargula BFP 10th Aug
Lizzie9442 BFP 21st Aug
Morefaith BFP 21st Aug
Boodleboot BFP 22nd Aug
Bettymamma BFP 24th Aug
memorylapse BFP 25th Aug
sweetkitty BFP 27th Aug
KayStar BFP 27th Aug
NancyPreg BFP 28th Aug
Meanbeansmum BFP 1st Sep

Ladyemmalou83 · 04/09/2009 17:41

MrsR I am really hoping pregnancy is my miricle cure for my needle phobia, if it isnt, gosh knows how I will make it through

bluesnowfalcon · 04/09/2009 19:15

Hi all - Mrs Rigby I know what you mean I think I might get confused too it doesn't take much Sorry about you cycle it must be so frustrating even 30 days seems way too long sometimes - bet i wouldn't be saying that if I wasn't TTC!

Lady emma good idea on the name change might be able to remember you now!

Decided that as it was my birthday yesterday, that i got a bfn yesterday and that a friend bought me a lovely bottle of wine that i'd say sod it and have a glass while i catch up on MN

Hope everyone has a good weekend and that we get a few BFP's to cheer me up x

UmBongo · 04/09/2009 20:07

bubbalewy, I hope your eyebrow recovers soon, thank you for posting that, it is the first laugh I have had all day, period due, feeling very tearful all day and snapping at ds, sometimes not his fault either!

Thanks for the laugh !

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