O Come all ye Viroids, joyful and triumphant. Deck the halls with Contraband. All I want for Christmas is a BFP! Just Shag all the way (no36)

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Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied and adapted from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others. Also know as 'the witch', 'bitch witch' and 'that one with the red shiny convertible'

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce envy in other posters).

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in! PONF = Pee on Nigel Farage. Self explanatory, who wouldn't?

ROC - Receptacle of Choice - what one chooses to use for the task of POAS. Option decorations include photographs of political leaders.

JIAC = Jizz in a Cup. Preferable to jizz on the carpet or jizz in the eye. This one's for the lucky men in our lives.

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession. Warning - this may happen to you if you start trying to POAS at 5dpo. PUT. THE. PISSY. STICK. DOWN. IT'S TOO EARLY!

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

Icing = ovulating. Another autocorrect development!

Getting your Cape on = planning some serious pouncing on DH/DP

TWOT - Two Weeks of Torture. AKA Schroedinging!
TWPU - Two Week Piss Up!

Keeping your gingers = fingers crossed, yet another autocorrect development! Shortened to 'gx'

Doing A lemon = Testing WAAAAAAAY to early!

The link to Part 35 is here

The current Grads Fred is here

The rather nobbish article in which we became a little bit notorious is here. We are the dark side of MN. Welcome.

Happy Christmas shagging, shaggers!

Ooh, and Noniks hope youre ok too.....

And everyone ive missed....

Tink Hiiiiii :) Good to hear from you!!

I'm holding no hopes for being upduffed this month, AF is due in 5 or 7 days, we have shagged a lot but I don't think I have iced (or my shitty monitor doesn't anyway) so will wait and see if when the witch turns up!

Gx for you getting upduffed before needing the treatment!

I had a glass of wine with lunch. Naughty me!

Wow jelly your shagging effort is quite incredible - really hope it can do the same this month!! It's exhausting though! Last day of AF today so I'll be on it from tomorrow.

Going skiing on 31st though, would be a tad difficult if I found out I was upduffed (is upduffed actually a word!? I accidentally misspelled it and my iPad autocorrected!) - AF will actually be due on the 31st! Unlikely I know but I would have to immediately tell the 7 other people we are going with as how else could I explain a week of teetotalism? I wouldn't be complaining at all though of course and there is never ideal timing!

I love that your ipad autocorrected to upduffed lol!

We changed it this month because normally I am a nightmare to get in the "mood" to DTD, but this month (and hopefully next month if I can keep it up) we made it so we alternate who is in charge. So example, I will be in charge until we DTD, so I get complete control over if we do it (or don't do it) and I instigate, I control the evening etc. Once we do it, DP then is in charge until we next do it etc. It's meant I am instigating shagging for once, which I never did, but it keeps it a little saucy too (though there have been a few occasions where neither of us want to do it but we have done just to tick the box lol...not good!).

That sounds a good idea! I am also pretty crap and could go without it for much longer than the hubby - although if he got his own way it would probably be twice a day. Although I hate making decisions so I don't think I would like to be in charge of other things haha. TTC has def been improving things because I would never instigate usually whereas now I am because I want a baby!

Congrats Mum and good effort Jelly!

I'm curious about all the cm chat. I don't think I really get any. Barely realised it was even a thing until heard everyone talk about it. Can you ice without it?

Thanks all! Yes, it does make me a Kitten.

Iced about 23 December, and tbh shagged most days of the cycle. We wanted to make the most of it incase I caught quickly and my libido tanked.

bat we go skiing on the 24th, have you thought about whether you'll actually ski or not if you get a bfp before you go? I'm due af whilst I'm there too and don't know if you can ski when upduffed??

muddy you can definitely ice without cm, lots of water, epo and walking help me. An hour out with the dog and its pant snot ahoy here! It's good for helping the swimmers get to where they need to go, I also use preseed lube as an added bonus for them

Wow mum that's great. Very jealous of you being a kitten!!

I just told DP I want a kitten because I'm getting that "never gonna get preggers" feeling! Gah!

Oh and he said no lol!!

Thanks Tink I have ordered some Preseed weirdest thing I've ever ordered on Amazon. What is epo though?

Jelly a kitten would be amazing but careful it's doesn't lead to this....

Just having a catch up over the past few days worth of posts.

Jelly I agree that you should get sotm. That's so easy good snagging. I'll keep my gx that your cbfm just isn't used to your cycle yet and that you'll get a BFP!

Welcome town

Tink it's good to see you!

Back at work for me today. Back to the real world. I had such a busy Christmas break though I need another week to get over it. Lol. I have my scan at the hospital on Wednesday to scan my ovaries for cysts (pcos related). I'm a bit nervous. I don't know what I want the scan to show. Do I want it to show something so that I can work on next steps or do I want it to be clear? I read that you don't actually need to have cysts on your ovaries to have pcos - that confuses me. Isn't the clue in the name that the cysts should be there?

Oh, and congrats mum did you decide how to tell your DP?

Ainat I was definitely told at med school that you needed polycystic ovaries to have PCOS at med school, although I am no gynaecologist. So you're not the only one of think that.

Hmmmm, my last post doesn't make much sense but you get what I mean. I need dinner & bed!

Sorry can't help on the PCOS ain

muddy EPO is evening primrose oil. It's meant to help with CM. And I've ordered much worse off amazon haha. Which reminds me I need to order some more concieve plus!

Thanks for the award viroids! I'll keep it promise!

Haha sun go to bed!! (With your DH lol)

I wish Jelly. He's on nights tonight so I won't see him until tomorrow night and he's knackered his back so I think he'll be hiding from me. I keep telling him exercise is good for backache...

Can't remember what med school taught me about PCOS...out of the gynae loop for too long now

I skied while about 8w with DD, took it very easily in a tiny resort. Also skied last year when I was unknowingly upduffed, then miscarried. I genuinely don't think the two were related as I had no symptoms at all and got to almost 8w so I suspect it was inevitable. If DH gets his wicked way and we grab a long weekend and DD is on his side I'll not be partaking, as I'll be 30+weeks!

Isn't the best thing about skiing drinking hot chocolate & eating melted cheese anyway?

Why wouldn't you be able to ski pregnant? I thought exercise was supposed to be good if you're expecting? Is it more the risk of falling?

Wish I was going skiing, so jealous!

I think some websites separate the syndrome from ovaries that are cystic in appearance. According to very recent tests and discussions I've had, making the diagnosis is based on meeting various criteria. My gp needs to see high lh, testosterone. High volume of cysts at scan, irregular periods and/or anovulation, and at least 2 other symptoms, ie, hirsutism, acne, etc. I no longer meet all of these criteria so no longer have the syndrome. At scan my ovaries did have cysts present but my gp insists as I'm ovulating and have regular periods this is of no relevance. Her question was "what is normal". Therefore I don't have pcos. As a disclaimer I have zero medical training except farm animal anatomy. Just relaying recent conversations with hcp' s.

My scan was fine, not even uncomfortable and very quick. Was done by a trainee with a pro over her shoulder, they were lovely. Good luck ain you'll be grand x

Anyone else take loads of supplements? My current list is below. Had a month off them last month and didn't ovulate and caught every bug going. Back on them this month and feel great - and my libido is improved. Not sure if it's a coincidence:

Probiotic drink
7 seas trying for a baby
Zinc
B6
Agnus castus - follicular phase
Epo - follicular phase

It's alot isn't it? Feel free to hooyah - I think it helps though

Yeah - I'm a pro faller, spend more time on my arse

Hello All, thanks for the welcomes!
Stupid question number 2 - what does bcp stand for (I just keep thinking of that injection you got when you were 14 at school)

mum very exciting news, congrats!!

honey, I may well try temping next month, if only to have some idea of when to poas as I'm so irregular. Last cycle I stressed and POAS over about 10 days before AF finally arrived (admittedly that was so I could have a few beers and not worry, but stressful all the same). I'm a bit put off by not wanting to become obsessed, but I think I probably am anyway!!

DP is taking TTC VERY seriously, with plenty of enthusiasm . So I don't need temping to figure out when to DTD. Maybe next cycle we will have less energy!

What tink says about PCOS sounds familiar to me. Anything called a 'syndrome' always has varying degrees of severity, basically a collection of criteria and depending on how many symptoms you have you'll be diagnosed one way or another. I also have cysts, and irregular periods, but no other symptoms, so was told I had 'PC tendencies' but not enough to be called PCOS.

Only on folic acid supplements. I'm not a big pill popper really. Maybe it does make a difference though, if you have more energy?! I like to think I eat as many minerals as I need, having said that I ate crap in Dec so maybe I should start on the supplements too. Or just eat more Marmite (I love marmite).