Would Jesus have known who he was as a baby?

[FloralGums]

I was pondering this following a sermon at Midnight Mass.
Was he a totally human baby or do you think he was more than that? Was he sentient?
I was thinking of the visit of the shepherd and Magi, and the flight from Herod and if he was aware.
When do you think he became aware of his true self?
I was hoping there might be someone knowledgeable or with some insights from clerical training or something.

For clarity (incase this comes up in Active) I am posting this on Christian Mumsnetters, which is primarily intended for the use of Christians. Yes I am aware it the internet and anyone can post etc etc but I am not interested in atheists posting about sky fairies or flying spaghetti monsters so won’t be responding to those posts. Feel free to start your own discussion on Philosophy/Religion.

I'd argue not - what other deity has resurrected from the dead? Only one - Jesus Christ.

Not a practicing Christian but I'm really enjoying reading this thread.

Certainly gives food for thought.

I greatly respect and even envy those that believe without question.

I see no need to come on and post things determined to undermine that belief.

Every day is a learning day and I'm all the better for learning from those to whom the bible is their truth.

Fascinating!

Yeah, sure there are. Here are 5 other deities with similar stories to Jesus:

Dionysus (Indian)

Attis (Greek)

Osiris (Egyptian)

Mithra (Europe)

Adonis (Syrian)

@AlteredStater - that list is for you.

@LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms "CurlewKate
"I thought Jesus did exist and that is agreed"

No. The historiography of Jesus is still a subject for debate.

If you’re seeking a theological debate there is another board better suited for that purpose.

I was simply responding to a poster who was saying she thought that the historical existence of Jesus was fact. Not a theological debate-just a correction of a point of fact.

To my Christian sisters and brothers on this thread, I have reported the disrespect and disruption thus far to @MNHQ … just take heart and strength from the fact that our GOD sees the secrets of all minds and hearts and His Judgement is true. 🙏

The historicity of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth is not in dispute by any respectable academics, nor has it been for many decades. If you wish to raise this as a matter for debate please use the appropriate forum, as below.

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Philosophy/religion forum.

I just wanted to offer my support to the Christians on this board. I am so sorry that some people have taken this thread as an opportunity to mock and question your religion. I have my own beliefs but they are irrelevant to this board as the purpose of it is for Christian MN to support and chat with one another.

Tagging in MNHQ apparently doesn't do anything though. You either need to report the thread/post or post in Site Stuff.

I hope MNHQ do take action though and that you all can continue your conversation undisturbed.

@Nessastats
Please go and read some proper theology...the existence of Jesus as the incarnation is up for debate; the existence of a Jewish prophet called Jesus is not.
He is not a made up character, there is substantial evidence of his physical existence e.g Tacitus & Flavius Josephus. At the very least the evidence of the effect of the ethical teaching which led to the proto- Christian church is obvious.
Can I suggest looking at the work of Alister McGrath, John Drane, and Peter Vardy? My GCSE and A-Level students can easily access this material so I shouldn't think it would be a problem for you.
And before you lay into me for echo chambers etc, I am an atheist RS teacher with a specialism in the study of religions & non religious belief systems. I have no agenda apart from trying to educate people to a level of better understanding.

@FloralGums

In response to the OP, some of the 'forgotten' gospels that were left out of the canon may be of interest.
Look for the infancy narrative of James and the childhood stories of Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas. A fascinating insight particularly when considered in light of why they were disregarded from the making of the Bible in the 4th & 5th centuries.

Thank you.
I reported every disrespectful comment as it appeared, which seemed to be ineffective, hence the tags.

Very glad to have your support.
Thanks again xx

It's so disappointing that people haven't followed the statement at the top of this forum.
This board exists primarily for the use of Christian Mumsnetters. Others are welcome to post but please be respectful. For theological debates, please visit our Philosophy/religion forum

You sound really interesting. My sons’ RS teacher was also atheist but expert, it made for a very balanced and interesting course.

You should do an AMA.

How can you absolutely know that jesus, his mother or his father didn't didn't have psychological or mental isdues though? You can't.

@LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms "The historicity of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth is not in dispute by any respectable academics, nor has it been for many decades."

I won't continue the discussion- but this statement is not true. There are good scholarly arguments for both sides- but no certainty either way.

I'm not the one foot stamping.

Take it up with Mumsnet HQ.

here’s their guidance
“This board exists primarily for the use of Christian Mumsnetters. Others are welcome to post but please be respectful. For theological debates, please visit our Philosophy/religion forum.”

This board is for Christians- and others- to respectfully converse.

As you can clearly see today it’s been used to deliberately antagonise us and to criticise our beliefs in very disrespectful ways. Other religions have their boards too, where such behaviour is not permitted, nor should it be.

Why would you assume that they did?

It's written tjat he rose from the dead, again not proven.

Based on some of the 'accounts' of jesus and mary I'd not be surprised. The point is that we just do not know.

“I won't continue the discussion- but this statement is not true. ”

I won’t continue the discussion - (continues the discussion) … 🙄

do it here, please! 🤦‍♀️
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Philosophy/religion forum.

How are you defining disrespect exactly? MN are aware of the thread and have deleted a couple of comments.

Where are all those gods today, though? Yet every year millions of people worship the risen God Jesus Christ.

With all due respect, you seem to object to EVERY comment which doesn't absolutely agree with you.