Would Jesus have known who he was as a baby?

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I was pondering this following a sermon at Midnight Mass.
Was he a totally human baby or do you think he was more than that? Was he sentient?
I was thinking of the visit of the shepherd and Magi, and the flight from Herod and if he was aware.
When do you think he became aware of his true self?
I was hoping there might be someone knowledgeable or with some insights from clerical training or something.

For clarity (incase this comes up in Active) I am posting this on Christian Mumsnetters, which is primarily intended for the use of Christians. Yes I am aware it the internet and anyone can post etc etc but I am not interested in atheists posting about sky fairies or flying spaghetti monsters so won’t be responding to those posts. Feel free to start your own discussion on Philosophy/Religion.

Nope, just expressing a view on this thread.
You cannot chase folk away just because they respectfully air different opinions.

Yes doesn't it say in Luke that the rabbis were astounded by the knowledge Jesus showed of the scriptures?

Ah yes here it is, Luke 2:46-47

46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.

The debate about the divine or human nature of Jesus is called Christology.
The vast majority of Christians accept the decision made at the first Council of Nicea in 325 about this, from which we get the Nicene Creed. The relevant clip from that says "Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial to the father."

Quite when Jesus realised as a baby/toddler/child his consubstantial nature with God the father. The Lord only knows.

But I like to think he had a normal toddler hood, experiencing human life in all it's tantrums, playtimes and frustrations and joys.

Most muslims accept that other faith perspectives exist and are valid.

As well as being absolutely inaccurate this comment is highly disrespectful to Christians.

posting such as phrase as

“…they reserve their hate…”

directed at Christians on a Christian board should not be tolerated.

Try posting this slur on the Jewish or Muslim boards. It would be instantly and rightly removed.
@MNHQ please address this.

I thought people might be amused by this!

How many times have you tagged MN now?

If you’re seeking a theological debate there is another board better suited for that purpose.

“This board exists primarily for the use of Christian Mumsnetters. Others are welcome to post but please be respectful. For theological debates, please visit our Philosophy/religion forum.”

This isn't my usual stomping ground but you are being disrespectful when the guidelines are clear and somewhat goady although more than one poster has asked you to stop.

There’s nothing respectful about coming to a Christian board and asserting that our Lord was “mentally ill” and that His mother had “mental health issues.”

Please use the Philosophy/Religion board if you wish to discuss these theories.

@ueberlin2030 You are being disruptive and disrespectful to this board and its Christian participants. I am sure you are getting off on it in some way. Again, please see the guidance at the top of this board. In case you do not know or are being wilfully ignorant, I suggest you look up the definition of Christian : on this board Christ’s divinity is not up for debate. Please take your posturing and desire for argument to a relevant board. Thank you. You can stamp your foot and claim entitlement to say what you want, where you want … carry on with your puerile antics from your keyboard if that is what pleases you. GOD knows your heart.

Seeing as Jesus and his birth on 25th Dec is a metaphor for the rising of the astronomical 'son' or sun after the winter solstice no, he wouldn't have know he was a special baby.

The sun stops moving south and sits in the constellation of The Cross for 3 days after the solstice.

The son of god (or sun) is an ancient story that has been told over many, many centuries in Africa, ancient Egypt, India and Europe to personify the importance of the sun and its movement across the sky in relation to the stars.

The 3 stars (or "kings") rise in the night sky of the 24th Dec, aligning with the point at which the sun rises at the horizon on 25th. A celebration of the days becoming longer and spring approaching with the hope of healthy crops.

'Baby Jesus' is just another evolved interpretation of this ancient mythology around the sun and how it provided the only energy for people to grow food.

There is evidence of the astronomical 'stories' all over the world (cave paintings, ancient texts) thousands and thousands of years before Jesus/mary/joseph.

@tellmesomethingtrue This nonsense has nothing to do with the opening post and the topic of this thread. Please see the guidance at the top of this board and the availability of other boards for ‘theological’ debate. Thank you.

I should add, that it was thought that on 25th Dec, the sun appears to move northwards in the sky for the first time in 6 months, and thus, the son (sun) is born!

It's not nonsense. It's actually what happens in the night sky each year and humans have personified it over the years, creating characters like Jesus. It's proven.

Original question from OP: was he a totally human baby?
Answer: erm, no.

I've just rtft and find it really interesting. I am a Christian but this thread proves what a (literal!) broad church that is. I don't know whether I believe that Jesus was bipolar but it does make sense, knowing what we now know about the mind and the different ways that our brain chemistry works. That isn't heretical, it isn't a negative thing, and I find it sad (and tbh a bit unChristian, at least when it comes to my reading of the Bible) that some posters are consider the idea of Christ having bipolar or ASD as a negative thing.

Also, I find it really jarring that a pp wasn't comfortable with the idea of Christ being "defiant" when he stayed in the temple to learn- defiance, to me, is a really important part of his story and teachings, and I'd have a very different relationship with him if I though he wasn't at least a bit defiant.

None of this is meant to be critical of others' readings of the Bible, just to note that The Truth is slightly different to all of us, and that in itself is worth pondering.

@tellmesomethingtrue Please refer to the Scriptures. Christ Jesus is fully God and fully human.

But scriptures are papers written by men.
Jesus is just another more modern version of similar deities that exit all over the world... all based on the astrological movements of the sun.
Why don't you actually read into it? It's fascinating to see the historical links over the thousands of years between the stories/myths of different cultures from around the world years ago.
I agree that the 'son of god' is very important but in the real world, this is the sun.

Christ was certainly defiant when He interacted with those who deserved to be defied. The religious leaders of His day, for example. He didn’t mince His words and He didn’t back down.

However it’s inaccurate to say He defied His mother and Joseph. The scripture clearly states He was “subject to them”(Luke 2: 51) This was entirely appropriate behaviour from Him.

You are voicing your disrespectful antichrist theories on the wrong board.

Please repost on the Philosophy /Religion board if you seek a debate about these matters. I draw your attention to the guidance for this board.

“This board exists primarily for the use of Christian Mumsnetters. Others are welcome to post but please be respectful. For theological debates, please visit our Philosophy/religion forum.”

What this shows to me is that God had pre-ordained the coming of Jesus since the beginning and all these things are signs of that.

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And I did actually answer the OP's question. You sound like you just don't like the evidence that I used to substantiate my answer is all.