Would Jesus have known who he was as a baby?

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I was pondering this following a sermon at Midnight Mass.
Was he a totally human baby or do you think he was more than that? Was he sentient?
I was thinking of the visit of the shepherd and Magi, and the flight from Herod and if he was aware.
When do you think he became aware of his true self?
I was hoping there might be someone knowledgeable or with some insights from clerical training or something.

For clarity (incase this comes up in Active) I am posting this on Christian Mumsnetters, which is primarily intended for the use of Christians. Yes I am aware it the internet and anyone can post etc etc but I am not interested in atheists posting about sky fairies or flying spaghetti monsters so won’t be responding to those posts. Feel free to start your own discussion on Philosophy/Religion.

@CloseEncountersOfTheTurdKind that wasn’t God speaking, it was Paul. Speaking in a particular time and place. He also wants women to cover their hair and be silent in church, if I remember correctly.

Do you know how the writing in bible was curated? Why it exists in its current form?

Honestly the judgemental disrespectful behaviour here offends me far more than the occasional use of Christ’s title.

Same. And I don't believe the Bible is literally the word of God, so whatever is in Corinthians (or any other book) is man's interpretation. Not Gods actual words. Only in my opinion of course. Others believe differently.

@Thegreatestoftheseislove
I was going to leave this thread, but I have to say that your last post has made me so angry that I can't leave yet. I think you said that you are a new Christian? If so, I think you really need to speak to your spiritual advisor. Your attitude is so rigid and unforgiving and lacking in empathy that you are going to make yourself and others very unhappy.

I'd be interested to hear any Bible passages that say differently, as I'm not aware of any. Like I said, I believe what God says so if he says differently please do show me, as I'm willing to change what I believe if it's not in line with scripture.

But it's in the Bible, and the whole Bible is the inspired word of God. We can't pick and choose what to believe. And yes, I do believe that women should not preach in church and should cover their hair when they pray

I think there are too many people on this thread who are trying to wind things up for it to have any meaningful debate and the best thing for anyone who hasn't got that intention is to unwatch this thread and leave it.

Let's concentrate on what we all know to be true and not start arguing over the differences that any group will always have, and Christians are no different.

We are all flawed people, but the difference is we believe in God and that His son has given the way that we as imperfect people can be with our perfect God.

If you take that view, then what can you truly take from the Bible? You can disbelieve any parts you don't like or agree with. I think it lands you on shifting sands. Just my opinion!

Yes, I didn't realise that quoting the Bible on a Christian chat would be controversial! I know people interpret things differently, for example not everyone agrees with women covering their heads to pray, and I don't have an issue with this as it's not a fundamental part of the faith. But if you don't believe the Bible what is your basis for what you believe?

Absolutely, I wasn't trying to start an argument, just saying what I believe to be true based on what I've read in the Bible. 'Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved ' is the fundamental belief of a Christian. I definitely have my flaws but I know I'm forgiven.

It was laughable because you suggested I said things I didn't actually say.

The basis for what I believe is my direct, personal relationship with Christ.

A direct, personal relationship with Christ is vital. But the Bible teaches us more about him, doesn't it? Without the Bible I wouldn't know who Christ was or what he's done for me.

You might be interested in this video, which also has links to scholarly articles and further reading/ explanations on the clobber passages. It makes more sense for me to link to someone who's already explained it clearly, hope you find it useful

Thank you, I will have a watch and a read

You're welcome, Close. Thanks for being open to different ideas

I think that's an important part of my journey as a Christian- not to be closed minded but willing to listen to what others have to say, and willing to change my beliefs, as long as it's in-line with scripture. The Bible is a big book and it's easy to miss things or to misunderstand them, so it's helpful to hear different views.

The catholic and protestant bibles aren't the same - the catholic one has a few more sections. Different translations can also say subtly different things. Some christians pretty much ignore the OT, others say the NT cannot be understood without reading the OT. Some christians rigidly stick to certain parts of the bible and other christians select other parts as more important.
Some christians use proverbs to scold, others use them to encourage. Every christian picks and chooses, even if they think they don't.

We also have to remember the different cultural context that most of it was written in, there was so much not known that is known now.
I always found in interesting that there are several types of love referred to in the bible, but the simple word love is used every time, not distinguishing.

Nope I quoted you both directly and indirectly. Are you able to indicate what you think I suggested that you didn't actually say? Or do you just have to resort to a laughing emoji?

Not true. The Bibles are basically the same but the Catholic Bible also has the apocrypha. Other than that what's in the protestant Bible is also in the Catholic Bible.

Exactly. We often read the same passage from a different bible at one of the groups I attend. It's amazing how one or 2 words being translated differently can completely change the feeling of a verse.

And FWIW i only said that i don't believe that the Bible is the literal word of God. Not that I don't believe it at all. Although a lot of it is up for questioning and, as already said, what it might mean can depend on which version you read. Luckily my church is one that welcomes questions. It's the basis for the home group I'm in.

It is true.
They're not the same because one either has extra content or one has missing content.

It's all in the interpretation. Take the 10 commandments as an example. Do you know that they are different depending on if you are anglican or catholic? Same text, different interpretation.

Don't tag me any more. Your mocking laughter emojis and this attempt to disagree with me even though I've explained more or less the same point show who you are. I said the actual content of the two Bibles is the same but there is the extra of the apocrypha in the Catholic version. The rest is the same.

If you tag me again I won't even be looking at your post.