For those of you who can't understand why so many of us get our knickers in a twist about formula marketing and advertising..Have a look at this and you will. Believe me,you will

[moondog]

Nestle and the way they operate on Bangladesh. From today's Guardian

Goodness me, I fear what someone would have to do to make tiktok go bonkers. You keep your cool long past the point where I would be shaking someone by their (virtual) lapels.

(Hmmm, was it perhaps some sort of 'BFC' person?)

It was someone talking about breastfeeding, NQC, and she knew f* all about it, not that that stopped her doling out advice about it or parading her stoopid opinins on it.

Then she took it to another site (not another thread, another site!) and everyone there slagged us off

It was fun ....

Really heartened to see that this link has provoked so much intelligent debate.
I have to confess to having done no more than skim the article as am in a bit of a state at the mo.
Loads of work, dh been for weeks,missing him like mad..
Will finish me off......

sorry to hear you're under the cosh, moony.

and tiktok, was it a 'qualified' person, was it? what site did she take it too. [pathetic]

erk. 'take it to?'

It will get better thanks Aitch.
Off to Caribbean next weeek (although doubtless rampant formula marketing will get me hot under t'collar!)
It was that maternity nurse wasn't it TT?

what maternity nurse?

and [seethe with ] at the caribbean. hadn't pictured you in deckwear, moondog.

Yes it was

Oooh,you'd be surprised Aitch.
Have been known to relax and take a small medicinal snifter on occasion.
Boden summer wardrobe and Crocs ready.....

It was some woman offering daft advice to all and sundry.
Tiktok saw her off with a flea in her ear.

was it that fabulous woman who'd done a weekend bfing course and was talking out of her arse? i can't actually remember her name so have no idea if she's speaking to me or not.

I remember that one too Aitch.

lol
Reminds me of the parent who asked a colleague (fellow salt) if speech and language therapy was an evening course available at local tech as night class as she quite fancied doing it as a job.

LOL Moony!

Come on Tikkers.....which other site????

Aitch, I had forgotten about that one!

Make it three times I have gone bonkers, then

In fact, I have never lost it on mumsnet - bonkers for me is being relentlessly and boringly persistent over and over and over.

can't tell you the other site, VVV - it was a nannies' one, that's all I remember.

The Breastfeeding calender sounds fabulous!
Shame I am not bf anymore....hohum..!
Tiktok...what is it about Maternity Nurses, eh! I actually looked into the Qualificatiosn that are necessary, and found out there are non really...shocking or what....!

Aitch - you are a star. I'm just tired and confused!

I'm going to East Africa for a few days (work trip) and will look out for formula advertising while I'm there in case anyone's interested.

3and - maternity nurse is one of those non-protected jobs, so anyone can call themselves a maternity nurse (unlike, say, doctor, or midwife) whether they have done any training or not.

I think SWMNBN calls herself a maternity nurse, for instance.

Not that I think gaining qualifications is any guarentee of knowing what one is talking about!

'Breastfeeding counsellor' is another non-protected term, so anyone can call themselves that, too, but I think it behoves people who use the term for themselves to make sure they are properly qualified, otherwise mothers get even more confused about who helps with what

Ooh - I remember that 'disagreement' tiktok - you were relentlessly calm and polite, other poster was a bit obtuse, and no-one else could get what she was on about!

yup a certain person carries the title of Maternity Nurse...hence me looking into it what that actually means...and apparently it means nothing really...lol!
You are right of course, just because people have a certain training doesn't always mean they are any good, lol!
As for untrained people calling themself BFC's...well...that would just be awful...I mean, I know more about bf then most other people I know in real life, but I would never claim to be a BFC or anything....!
I actually did look into becoming a BFC, but it was one of those things that I then didn't do...there are many of those...

Muminfife - NCT do a nice tear off sheet on positioning and attachment

Training to be a bfc - any of the four vol. orgs do good training. They all take about 2+ years. NCT trains to externally-accredited Diploma level. People who want something a bit quicker and less extensive have options, too, and all the vol orgs have some sort of peer supporter training which takes about 12 weeks.

My personal feeling is the 2 and 3 day courses offered by UNICEF, while good as a top-up in bf knowledge for healthcare professionals, do not allow for the development of insight, listening skills and personal awareness needed, which come with time and practice (though some HCPs may already have these skills).

Nestle are apparently involved with the following:-
Nescafe Coffees
Partners Blend
Build-up
Libbys Brand
Milo
Nesquik
Aua Panna
Aquarel
Ashbourne
Buxton
Contrex
Perrier
PowWow
San Pellegrino
Santa Marrie
Valvert
Vittel
Cheerios
Clusters
Cookie Crisp
Fitnesse
Force Flakes
Fruitful
Golden Grahams
Golden Nuggets
Shredded wheat
Shreddies
Aero
After Eights
Black Magic
Blue Riband
Breakaway
DairyBox
Double Cream
KitKat
Matchmakers
Milky Bar
Polo
Quality Street
Rolo
Rowntrees
Smarties
Toffee Crisp
Walnut Whip
Willy Wonka
Yorkie
Coffee Mate
Tip Top
Carnation
Fussells
Nestle and Lyons Maid Icecream
Yoghurts ~ Munch Bunch, Ski, Sveltesse
Buitoni
Herta
Maggi
Osem/Tivali
Bakers Pet foods
Bonio
Bonza
Felix
Friskies
Go Cat
Gourmet
ProPlan
Purina
Pussi
Vital Balance
Winalot
Cosmetics
Alcon
Garnier
Lancome
L'Oreal
Maybelline
Redken
Helena Rubenstein
Vichy

That is at January 2006