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For those of you who can't understand why so many of us get our knickers in a twist about formula marketing and advertising..Have a look at this and you will. Believe me,you will

274 replies

moondog · 15/05/2007 10:25

Nestle and the way they operate on Bangladesh. From today's Guardian

OP posts:
3andnomore · 15/05/2007 16:25

do you mean this one aitch?

Jacanne · 15/05/2007 16:29

I've just got back to this thread and would like to say, in the interest of fairness, that I have now had an e-mail from Netmums saying that I can re-post my link on an existing thread - apparently they don't allow more than one thread about one topic - sorry if I have stirred things up.

In the thread they defend their action as a choice between that or no more Netmums.

Tapster · 15/05/2007 16:33

Just what I have been looking for

mumto3girls · 15/05/2007 16:41

Just out of interest - does anyone know the story of why that lady was bfing one twin but not the other? I'm confused about it, and sad.

3andnomore · 15/05/2007 16:42

This is what it says on teh Babymilk action website under the picture:

"Use my picture if it will help," said this mother at the Children's Hosptial, Islamabad, Pakistan. Photo: UNICEF.

A baby dies every 30 seconds from unsafe bottle feeding
The photograph above tells the tragic story of the fatalities that occur due to unsafe bottle feeding. The babies are twins: the child with the bottle is a girl - she died the day after this photograph was taken - but her brother was breastfed and thrived.

The mother was told that she would not have enough milk for both children, and so she breasted her son and bottle-fed her daughter. But she would almost certainly have been able to feed both her babies, since the more a baby suckles, the more milk is produced."

mumto3girls · 15/05/2007 16:44

Oh my God - that's terrible!!

What a terrible choice to be told to make...and the saddest outcome.

tiktok · 15/05/2007 16:44

The lady with the twins was told she would only be able to make milk for one baby - that's why only one of them had breastmilk

Rantum · 15/05/2007 16:57

As the article says, Nestle has been at this for years, since the 70s - it is not a new strategy.

It is very hard to boycott Nestle simply because it owns SOOO many brands all over the world (around 20,000, I think) and they are uber powerful: they own many brands of the following to name but a few:Coffee
Bonka
Ecco (Peru) (Chile)
El Chana (Uruguay)
International Roast
Kirma (Peru)
Loumidis
Nescafé
Nespresso
Partner's Blend
Ricoffy
Ricoré
Taster's Choice
Zoégas

[edit] Water
Aberfoyle
Aqua D'Or
Acqua Panna
Al Manhal
Aquapod
Arrowhead
Contrex
Deer Park
Hépar
Ice Mountain
Korpi
Levissima
Nałęczowianka
Nestlé Aquarel
Nestlé Pure Life
Nestlé Vera
Ozarka
Perrier
Poland Spring
Powwow
Pure Life
Quézac
San Pellegrino
San Bernardo
Viladrau
Vittel
Zephyrhills (water)
Flavored Dildos

[edit] Other drinks
Milo
Carnation
Caro
Chocolate D'Onofrio (Peru)
Cocoa D'Onofrio (Peru)
Libby?s
Nescau (Brazil)
Nesquik
Nestea

[edit] Shelf stable
Christie
Bear Brand
Carnation
Coffee-Mate
Gloria
Ideal (Peru)
Klim
La Lechera
Milkmaid
Moça
Molico
Nespray
Nestlé
Nestlé Omega Plus
Nido
Ninho
Svelty
Emswiss

[edit] Chilled
Chiquitin
La Laitière
La Lechera
Leite Moça
LC1
Molico
Nestlé
Ski
Sveltesse
Svelty
Yoco

[edit] Ice cream
Oreo (Canada)
Ã…husglass (Sweden)
Camy
Chips Ahoy! (Canada)
Frigor (Argentina)
Diplom-Is (Norway)
D'Onofrio (Peru)
Dreyer's
Frisco
Häagen-Dazs (North America)
Hemglass (Sweden)
Hjem-IS (Denmark & Norway)
Kotijäätelö (Finland)
Motta
Mövenpick
Mivvi
Nestlé
Peter's
Push-Up
Savory (Chile)
Schöller
Valiojäätelö (Finland)
Yopa (Brazil)

[edit] Infant foods
Alfare
Beba
Bona (Finland)
Cérélac
FM 85
Gerber
Good Start
Guigoz
Lactogen
Nan
NAN HA
NanSoy
Neslac
Nestlé
Nestogen
Nestum
Piltti (Finland)
Pirkka/Napero (Finland)
PreNan

[edit] Performance nutrition
Neston
Nesvita
PowerBar
Pria
Supligen

[edit] Healthcare nutrition
Modulen
Nutren
Nutren Junior
Peptamen
Peptamen UTI

[edit] Seasonings
Buitoni
Maggi
Thomy
Winiary

[edit] Frozen foods
Maggi
Stouffer?s
Lean Cuisine
Buitoni
Hot Pockets
Lean Pockets
Papa Guiseppi

[edit] Refrigerated products
Buitoni
Herta
Nestlé
Toll House

[edit] Chocolate, confectionery and baked goods

Peppermint Crisp.100 Grand Bar
Aero
After Eight
Allens
Baby Ruth
Bertie Beetle (Australia)
Blue Riband
Butterfinger
Butterfinger BB's
Butterfinger Crisp
Bon Pari (Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary)
Cailler
Capri (Chile)
Caramac
Carlos V
Charge (Brazil)
Chokito (Brazil)
Coffee Crisp (Canada)
D'Onofrio (Peru)
Damak (Turkey)
Drifter
Frigor
Galak/Milkybar
Heaven
JOJO (Czech Republic and Poland)
Kit Kat
Lion
Matchmakers
Minties (Australia)
Mirage
Joff
Munchies
Negrita (Chile)
Nestlé Crunch
Nestlé Crunch Pieces
Nestlé Milk Chocolate
Nestlé Wonder Ball
Nips
Oh Henry (except Canada)
Peppermint Crisp
Perugina Baci
Polo
Prestigio (Chile,Brazil)
Quality Street
Rolo
Sahne Nuss (Chile)
Sensação (Brazil)
Smarties
Sufflair (Brazil)
Super 8 (Chile)
Texan Bar
Toffee Crisp
Toll House
Trencito (Chile)
Orion (chocolate) (Czech Republic)
Violet Crumble
Yorkie

[edit] Wonka confectionery brands
Bottle Caps
Donutz
FruiTart Chews
Fun Dip
Gobstoppers
Laffy Taffy
Lik-M-Aid
Nerds
Nerds Gumballs
Nerds Rope
Oompas
Pixy Stix
Rainbow Nerds
Runts
SweeTarts
SweeTarts Rope
SweeTarts Shockers
Tart 'n' Tinys
Wonka Bars
Thrills

[edit] Foodservice products
Chef-Mate
Davigel
Minor's
Santa Rica

[edit] Petcare
Alpo
Beneful
Dog Chow
Fancy Feast
Felix
Friskies
Gourmet
Mighty Dog
Mon Petit
ONE
Pro Plan
Purina
Tidy Cats

I mentioned on the Fairtrade Chocolate thread that they own the brand of contact lens solution that I used to use.

Rantum · 15/05/2007 16:58

Sorry about that - thought it illustrated my point

paulaplumpbottom · 15/05/2007 16:59

Goodness!! I had no idea

suedonim · 15/05/2007 17:04

They own the f*ing world, don't they?

madamez · 15/05/2007 17:05

Genuine query here: is it not the case that if a woman is badly malnourished her milk supply dries up? I always thought that this was why some mothers in poor countries use formula.

And yes, hands up, I gave DS formula because I had practically no milk (induced labour, flat nipples and beta blockers for the first 6 months after giving birth). Doesn't mean I'm too keen on Nestle and co's marketing strategy either.

Rantum · 15/05/2007 17:09

The campaign against Nestle lists all their UK brands
here

mumto3girls · 15/05/2007 17:09

I think ( but I may be wrong) that you have to be really starving yourself for your milk supply to dwindle and dry up completely.

Please can someone agree/disagree?

filthymindedvixen · 15/05/2007 17:12

the sad thing is, after 30 years has anything changed? Nestle and co are thriving, 3rd world babies are not.

If I win the lottery, a team of fully trained breast feeding counsellors are going out to some of these places for as long as it takes, to educate and train other women, so that women feel they have a real choice. Not everyone can bf, but an awfully high percentage can, and they need to be helped. it is life or death.

Rantum · 15/05/2007 17:14

madamez - that may well be right, but with nestle the problem is specifically their MARKETING strategies - they prey on women who are desperate to feed their babies: this is from a campaign site and explains it better than I can:

Nestle have been repeatedly criticised and widely boycotted in a number of countries because of their violation of international codes on the marketing of baby milk products. Nestle holds about 50% of the world's breast milk substitute market and is being boycotted for continued breaches of the 1981 WHO (World Health Organisation) Code regulating the marketing of breast milk substitutes.

Nestle encourages bottle feeding primarily by either giving away free samples of baby milk to hospitals, or neglecting to collect payments. It has been criticised for misinforming mothers and health workers in promotional literature. Nestle implies that malnourished mothers, and mothers of twins and premature babies are unable to breastfeed, despite health organisations claims that there is no evidence to support this.

Evidence of direct advertising to mothers has been found in over twenty countries such as South Africa and Thailand. Instructions and health warnings on packaging are often either absent, not prominently displayed or in an inappropriate language. All of these actions directly contravene the Code regulating the marketing of baby milk formulas.

Even in the UK, bottle-fed babies are up to ten times more likely to develop gastro intestinal infections, but in the Third World, where clean water may be absent, mothers may be illiterate and independent health care and advice may be lacking, bottle feeding can be more dangerous. This can lead to a situation where babies are left vulnerable to dysentery, malnutrition and death, and Nestle is able to retain its estimated $4 billion market share in the baby-milk industry.

Over 3000 infants die every day from baby bottle disease (WHO), and formula dependant babies create massive economic strain on poor families, contributing to unsustainable land use.

Nestle were recently criticised by Oxfam for pursuing the Ethiopian Government for US $6 million as the country attempts to tackle a famine affecting 11 million people.This payment was so large because they demanded it in US dollars not local currency at the current rate of exchange not that of 1975 .Nestle did not even own the company when the factory was nationalised. Nestle has finally accepted US $1.51 million offered by the government on 23/1/3 following the campaign run by Oxfam which created a public relations nightmare.

The workers in a Nestle chocolate plant in Cacapava, Brazil went on strike in 1989, complaining of poor working conditions, including discrimination against women, lack of protective clothing and inadequate safety conditions. Within two months of the beginning of the strike the company had sacked forty of its workers, including most of the strike organisers.

Nestle has subsidiaries in some of the most repressive regimes in the world, including Brazil, China, Colombia, Egypt, El Salvador, Guatemala, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, Senegal, Sri Lanka and Turkey. The company also has subsidiaries in South Africa which it owned during the Apartheid year. L´Oreal (parent company - Nestle) have subsidiaries in Peru and Morocco.

Sources
Mcspotlight
Baby Milk Action Charity
Make Trade Fair

From End Evil Blacklist website.

tiktok · 15/05/2007 17:14

It's true that mothers who are malnourished will still make enough milk, and the milk will be of good quality.

Mothers who are literally starving will have a real problem.

Mothers in Bangladesh (in the article) who use formula are not starving.

Rantum · 15/05/2007 17:21

And to further tiktok's point it is questionable whether the best way to help STARVING MOTHERS is to have them become indebted to a multinational corporation for "saving" their babies - Nestle do not GIVE the formula away!!

Rantum · 15/05/2007 17:27

BTW, I am not criticising mothers in the UK and in other developed countries who ff - most mothers here are literate and can weigh up choices presented to them, in the context of knowing that we have a safe water supply, a national health system and a reasonable standard of post-natal care available for all.

filthymindedvixen · 15/05/2007 17:30

no. mothers in Bangladesh may not be literaly starving. But they may not have enough money to buy formiula, and they may struggle to feed other family members and may feel through lack of proper education that they have no alternative.

ruty · 15/05/2007 17:45

formula feeding is devastating economically to most families in Bangladesh. If your husband earn £6 a week and formula costs £2 a week you can imagine what i mean. And then it gets diluted. Not to mention the lack of clean water. Breastfeeding postively protects against diarrhoea and could save so many lives. Nestle is complicit and active in the deaths of so many children.

RevolvingDoorFlouncer · 15/05/2007 18:40

I think if Nestle invested the money and effort spent on marketing their product (fancy scrip pads, pens, posters, cakes for doctors , free samples, etc) towards assisting the implementation of clean water supplies, giving away of free bottles of water, and/or reducing the price of their product to discourage improper watering down of their product, I'd be marginally happier with their selling in Bangladesh and similar countries.

This is never going to happen though.

I think doulas would be a fantastic introduction to every community in developing countries.

mrsmalumbas · 15/05/2007 18:58

I know a doula in Shimla in India.

mrsmalumbas · 15/05/2007 19:02

Another thought on this - I adhor Nestle's tactics as well, but just to add that there is a cultural issue at work here too. In many developing countries women are choosing to breastfeed because they associate it with modernity, progress, science. Breastfeeding is seen as something that poor women do, those who have no choice. It was not dissimilar to that here in the 1960's (according to my Mum!) when formula feeding was perceived as something that freed women from the "tyranny" of childcare and allowed them to return to work etc. Education is definitely the key, but it is so hard when the tactics of companies like Nestle (and they are not the only ones) are so aggressive.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/05/2007 19:06

Lots more pictures and posters of (white?) women b/feeding required then?