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For those of you who can't understand why so many of us get our knickers in a twist about formula marketing and advertising..Have a look at this and you will. Believe me,you will

274 replies

moondog · 15/05/2007 10:25

Nestle and the way they operate on Bangladesh. From today's Guardian

OP posts:
LazyLine · 17/05/2007 11:53

I think that Libby's are Nestle free these days.

Manictigger · 17/05/2007 12:05

I'm gutted that Walnut Whips are on that list (especially coffee ones)

dannylastrasse · 17/05/2007 12:06

i can't tell you how much i really dont give a shit.

LazyLine · 17/05/2007 12:16

And yet you are....

Astrophe · 17/05/2007 15:12

gosh, world domination by such an unethical company

DominiConnor · 17/05/2007 15:28

The problem with the OP, is that the source is the Guardian, which hates multi nationals nearly as much as it hates Americans. It's all for boycotts of "bad" countries and firms except if the "bad" country is an enemy of America, or if the bad company has some meda tart like Anita Roddick to mought platitudes.
Thus people don't take much notice.

However, Nestle are pretty the worst company in the world. There are major criminal gangs who do far less harm than Nestle. The baby formula thing is terrible but their price manipulation in league with the EU, makes many farmers in shit countries so poor that they either starve of in the case of their coffee cartel, are driven to grow drugs.
They're bad people, but sadly their enemies are of generally low calibre.

tiktok · 17/05/2007 16:20

Oh for goodness sake, DC....you're talking about one of the most serious-minded and well-respected liberal newspapers in the world, not some tatty sectarian rag.

Your assessment of the Guardian's viewpoint is absolutely juvenile.

DominiConnor · 17/05/2007 16:27

But accurate, eh ?
Actually I don't respect a newspaper for being "liberal", I respect it for understanding and explaining what's going. Blind hatred doesn't do that well.

tiktok · 17/05/2007 17:14

Blind hatred?

You really don't read it very often, do you?

I described it as 'liberal' to categorise it, not as a reason to 'respect' it.

Grow up, DC, get out more, and leave the stereotyping behind

ruty · 17/05/2007 17:59

3andnomore just saw that photo of the twins you linked to. How unbearably sad.

3andnomore · 17/05/2007 18:01

Isn't it just ruty...heartbreaking....!

tinymum · 18/05/2007 14:38

Phew, what a relief to read this thread and find the Nestle issue being discussed by people who actually know the facts and have done the research. Having just come off a thread on another parenting site, where alot of the women come accross either as painfully ignorant or sadly indifferent, this is like a breath of fresh air.

It amazes me how people are still prepared to fall for advertising spin-doctors working for a company like Nestle rather than charitable organisations, health proffessionals, WHO and UNICEF who have no alterior motives, financial or otherwise, for taking Nestle to task over their horrendous exploitation of vulnerable people the world over.

Lots of corporations are un-ethical but Nestle has been doing this for over 30 years, blatantly. As it has such a huge share of the marketplace it should set a good example to the others. Some hope.

3andnomore · 18/05/2007 18:14

A lot of people that I have come across also seem to assume that Nestle Boycott is a old and dated thing...i.e. not important anymore...which is obviuously untrue and is such a shame.

lyndyloo · 18/05/2007 20:28

"i can't tell you how much i really dont give a shit.:

Nice comment.

How depressing to see attitudes like this on a site for mothers.

nachomama · 19/05/2007 12:17

bump.

a lot to think about. very interested in the idea of calendar/ other products promoting breastfeeding to counter the nasty, greedy FF marketing machine.

hunkermunker · 19/05/2007 12:19

Please have a look at this link for more about this

Might even open the eyes of people who don't give a shit...

tinymum · 21/05/2007 07:28

Hey Lyndyloo, alot of people 'don't give a shit' unfortunately. Which is why the world we live in is in such a mess.

Makes you lose your faith in human nature doesn't it?

'Charity begins at home' and all that crap. Seems like it ends there too for many.

lispy · 21/05/2007 07:41

this thread is too long to read all, isn't the obvious solution that they should only have pre-made formula in single feed containers?

lispy · 21/05/2007 07:44

just reminding people that in many third world countries aids is an issue when breast feeding.(now read other post before this one!)

tiktok · 21/05/2007 08:34

lipsy - aids is an issue in some countries, and it is very important that to minimise transmission, mothers either fully breastfeed exclusively with no formula at all, or formula feed exclusively, which can be difficult for them (aids is not an issue in Bangladesh where the article is set). Exclusive breastfeeding has been shown to give the best outcomes see this report

The worst outcomes are seen in mixed feeding.

However, in cases where exclusive breastfeeding is not possible, mothers with HIV/aids need to be enabled to formula feed safely and affordably, and this means taking infant feeding away from the commercial arena, so health can be prioritised rather than profit.

We have already discussed the fact that single feeds in pre-packed containers is not a viable option in developing countries.

tinymum · 21/05/2007 10:04

Women should be able to make the decision to formula feed, or not, without commercial pressure, aggressive marketing and misleading advertising, whatever country they are from.

pampam · 21/05/2007 11:23

I have been boycotting nestle for years, will renew my efforts after reading the article and this thread.
lipsy - have just spent a while reading this thread, strikes me if you can't be bothered to read it you maybe shouldn't post on it .

pampam · 21/05/2007 11:25

lispy

harrisey · 21/05/2007 16:10

When I first visited Guatemala in 1993 I met women there (I was on a health/human rights tour) who had had babies die due to formula - all the stuff we've discussed here, agressive marketing with sales reps dressed as nurses, poor water supply, non-existent health education, no ante natal care. To compound this, communities had broken down due to the civil war so many young mothers did not have a granny or mother to ask for help and advice - they were dead, or disappeared, or in a refugee camp in Mexico, or the young people had moved to the city to get work. When so many children were dying, they were lucky to be visited by an American LLL volunteer who set up a peer-supporter program, and they now have one of the highest bf rates in Guatemala. The company that was agressively marketing? No-brainer!

We took our kids there 2 years ago when I was still bf dd2 (who was 16 months at the time) and in several places I was asked (like on buses, in cafes) if 'all women in America (I'm not American, but perceived as such!) breastfeed' and 'isnt it better with a bottle?' ( as dd2 enthusiastically bf, smiling at Guatemalan ladies as she did so!) - as like many have said it is the perception that ff is modern and therefore better.

I was amazed though that the little bit of input that one visitor for one week was able to make - training people just to tell others what works and what doesnt, and a huge benefit has been given to the women adn babies of that community.

Another, smaller but significant issue, is that in developing countries disease patterns are slowly changing and there are much higher rates of breast cancer than a few years ago. Could this be related to dietary change, and therefore bf would protest, or is it caused by the drop in bf which means less women are protected. Whatever, it is a tragedy as if women in these countries cannot afford ff, they certainly cant afford the treatments for breast cancer. I'll try and dig out the stats, dh had them but is away working right now.

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