To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

A continuation of Thread 1.

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two.

Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why?

Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - "Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs.

In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6).

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I'd regard myself as being on the left and I don't think celebration of these events is right.

I respect you for saying that.

I refer you to my previous post.

You tell me. You're the one who is fixated on them.

I don't think I held you, personally, responsible. I think I was actually trying to reach some common ground and show you our perspective on things and why we aren't typically interested in the usual "CONDEMN THIS THING OR YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE" shtick. But whatever.

I wasn't replying to you.

So you have double standards about violence. I thought so. I guess I must also have been imagining that Palestine Action Group have been proscribed- rightly so - as terrorists.

As someone who is a non white immigrant to this country I have to say that more than anything else it is the ignorance displayed on this thread that is infuriating. I mean if you want to hate me at least hate me for proper stuff and not imaginary unicorns. I'm fine with being hated for the colour of my skin. At least I actually am brown. But don't hate me for all the benefit money that I am absolutely not eligible for and have never received. That is just annoying.

(I assume it is the same for people who are unfortunate enough to have to depend on our of work or disability benefits. I am pretty sure they would love to get 50% of everyone's income but that just isn't the case. Also, with your logic it would be these random benefit seekers who are actually paying for ALL your public services so you should probably be more grateful).

Then I'd ask you the same question as I asked a different poster earlier in the thread, and again I'm not being snarky. Did you challenge any of it at the time?

The response i got earlier was "I didn't see anything like that". I struggle to believe that, there were threads on MN immediately after Charlie Kirk's murder littered with deletions and full of ghoulish, joyous celebrations.

If you didn't challenge it and you didn't police your own side I get it, I don't do it either unless its especially egregious. But I don't expect anyone to insist that I do if they can't agree to it themselves or they just pretend not to have seen anything on their side that really needed to be called out.

Hate to break it to you, but pension funds aren't the majority of shareholders. According to the ONS, UK pension funds own just c.1.6% of UK quoted shares.

But even if they were the majority, there comes a point where we need to stop fucking over the current working generation in favour of protecting the wealth and investments of the richest generation to ever exist.

Yup, Jim grew up in a council house (funded by the state), he recieved an education (funded by the state), he went to university (funded by the state), he made use or workers and infrastructure (funded by the state), he then fucked off to bitch and moans about the country that enabled his success while attempting to deny those same opportunities to everyone else.

And that's great you're not struggling, I'm sure the 100s of thousands who are will sleep well tonight knowing you run two cars.

I'm genuinely interested in why you're such a lickspittle for people you'll never get close too though? Like you'll always be infinitely closer to being homeless than you'll be Jim Ratcliffe, yet you fight his fight while selling your compatriots out. Why?

Now you are inventing shit.
Don't put your low standards on me, it's not a binary choice for those with humanity.

No reply to this @Gtfto2024

Then respectively I would request the same from you. Goodnight.

They have a logo which their members proudly sport, typically on their face coverings. Their members tend to make their membership a huge part of their identity, they have recognisable clothing, slogans and chants. But yeah, they don't exist.

No reply needed, it makes perfect sense.

By saying the crimes of assault were only reported and no convictions made you are implying that those (usually female) victims are lying.

Doesn't really match the protecting women ethos in my book, particularly when you factor in how hard it is for domestic assault survivors to make a report, how long they have to wait for a court hearing, and how low the conviction rates are.

So much for #metoo

Now who is "inventing shit"? Read my post again, read the actual words that were written in plain english. I didn't say that crimes were only reported and not convicted, that wasn't the point of my post at all. The rest of your gibberish is disregarded for obvious reasons.

I honestly can't remember but I don't think I posted on any of the Mumsnet threads on Charlie Kirk . I did challenge celebratory posts on Facebook at the time.

I'd just like to add that I was appalled by the murder of Jo Cox and equally appalled by the murder of David Amess. I don't think any politician deserves to die while doing their job. I disliked just about everything Ann Widdecome stood for but no one deserves to be murdered in their own home.

There is some common ground to be found then. I don't think its funny or just when something bad happens to someone of a left wing persuasion either.

Of course he left. As I said don't bite the hand that feeds you. I'd reduce my tax bill if I could. Monaco seems nice enough as well. We're hoping to move as well (but to the ME).

I prefer wealth creators like Jim who strike, work hard and make a success

Ain't no way we're becoming homeless if we have our own home and property investments as well.

You said Antifa do not exist. That's either faux naivety or you're choosing to ignore their violence because it doesn't sit right with how you want to believe the right are everything that's wrong. They have attacked gender critical women for having a voice. Yeah, so much for feminism and high standards. Own it.

Yup. The system is totally messed up.

I was working in a uk company, in a factory, and the company was partially bought by the investment arm of a UK bank. The bank I banked with. They did not own it, but had a substantial chunk. First thing they done was send a couple of young suits in to inspect their investment, And the next morning we were all assembled for the redundancies announcement. Then it was one by one into the office.

And that sort of blew my mind. That the bank that I gave my wages to, had theoretically taken that money, to buy the company that paid my wages, and their first action was to save money by wanting to make me redundant (I survived). Conflict of interest ? Or just short sightedness in the name of money?

Then 2008 happened, and that same bank went to the government with begging bowl in hand. Now they wanted my tax money to bail them out. And they got it, cos they wailed "too big to fail". And there were more redundancies, and near all that was left of that company was offshored. To maximize profit for the investment firm the bank sold their share to.

In UK manufacturing, it is the banks and investment funds that done the shafting. Every round of redundancies was nowt to do with sales or exports. It was the banks wanting to make more money off us.

And yet here we are. For many posters, the banks are the saviours, and it's the people on benefits and the migrants that are to blame for whatever it is they need to blame someone for.

I've got a leaflet that might help you!

Quote "Clearly it does exist as the government are spending even more of our money to keep it hidden. Only those determined to deny there is a problem can’t imagine why that might be."

Ok. Bit of begging the question fallacy there. But hey ho.

Quote "And thanks for the link but no it doesn’t have the information we are discussing - obviously."

Here is the FOI request.

Crime by nationality for the last 5 years - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

And the ONS said -" Unfortunately, we do not hold the data you have requested." And " We publish statistics from two main sources: the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime. Both sources provide statistics on crime as they are experienced by victims, or as it is recorded by the police."

And quickly clicking the links in that site, we get this

Prosecutions and convictions - GOV.UK Ethnicity facts and figures (ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk)

That was first published in 2018, updated 2023. And that data is based on 2001 Census data when it comes to categorizing ethnicity etc.

Yes, the data will exist in police files etc, but it is not reported by the ONS because it is not on their list of things to do. That is, they don't collect and collate it. But looking through those ONS pages, it is something they are looking to do in the future.

What did Lammy say. I got this -

Lammy accused of cover-up as Ministry fights to keep migrant crime data secret - London Business News | Londonlovesbusiness.com

"The Ministry of Justice initially refused the request, arguing that producing the information would exceed the cost limits set under the Freedom of Information Act and that releasing highly detailed figures could risk identifying individual offenders in some cases."

That was rejected by the ICO. But the ICO did see a potential issue with identifying people, so they said only larger data sets should be published.

"In correspondence with the shadow justice secretary, Lammy said the department already publishes a “range of statistical breakdowns” relating to foreign offenders and that its statistical releases remain under “continuous review."

They do publish data, but migration watch now want a super detailed breakdown that will take a lot of time and money to sort out. More then the FOI system allows for. It really is one of these things that needs time to sort out.

Also from that article, and on the subject of my last sentence above - " Conservative MP Robert Jenrick described the move as a continuation of a long-running lack of transparency by successive governments, while Centre for Migration Control research director Rob Bates said his organisation would continue pursuing the information through legal channels."

Ah right. That will be the same Robert Jenrick who was part of the last Government, as Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Home Secretary no less. And who is now in Reform. The party that say cops need to be on the beat, and not stuck in an office doing paperwork.

So yes, the information is all there in the system. And it will likely get pulled out the system and put on an ONS report at some point in the future. And it's a pity that Jenrick did not organize that when he was in government.

In the above, I bolded this " We publish statistics from two main sources: the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) and police recorded crime"

So this CSEW, Crime Survey for England and Wales, that is here-

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

So anyone can see what data is reported to the ONS. Back to Jenrick. He really should have added the data he wants to see now, to the data reported.

By the way. I agree that we can't have enough data. Subject to privacy etc.

You must think I think the kids' first job involves 10 hr shifts on less than the minimum wage paying more than higher rate tax? As opposed to just making a flippant point, or making a point, flippantly, perhaps. Cute.