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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

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CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 11:30

To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. The latest example -

No wonder Labour won't cut benefits. More than half of Burnham's MPs represent seats where claimant count is higher than their Commons majority

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

Half of Labour MPs in seats where PIP claims are higher than majority

Some 212 Labour MPs in England and Wales have more constituents on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) than their winning margin at the 2024 general election .

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

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PaulGalicoagain · 21/09/2026 16:24

Since when has The Times been a good, reliable source of information?

pointythings · 21/09/2026 16:24

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:15

It’s the Times headline, if you think they’re bullshitting send them a complaint.

Why do you think a headline from a right leaning paper is more reliable than actual source data? Posting a headline and then ignoring evidence to the contrary from source doesn't make anyone look clever. Just disingenuous.

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:25

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:22

Oh no I care about as much. It’s Times reporting, I’ll see what comes up about it all rather than your word.

Hilarious

It's not my word though is it?

Too afraid to click on the link to go the OBR website because it will damage your ego

LizzieW1969 · 21/09/2026 16:25

Kirbert2 · 21/09/2026 16:17

I'm on benefits due to having a disabled child who will likely need PIP or whatever it may be one day when his DLA comes to an end. I would never vote for cuts to it to disadvantage my own child....obviously.

I can't imagine many parents would. Most people are going to vote to benefit themselves and/or their families. That isn't surprising at all.

Of course they are, it wouldn’t make sense to vote any other way, surely?

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 16:25

Be nice to billionaires but kick those ones at the bottom?

A lesson from history?

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 16:25

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 16:15

FWIW, I haven't "accused" the OP of anything. I have merely suggested that she might find other societies where her views are more mainstream.

You start to build up a picture of people's political leanings when you see them post across multiple threads.

Ha ha MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 15:30
'If you're unhappy as you say you are, OP, then perhaps you should leave and find somewhere better?
The far right will always be in a minority here but there will be other places where you might fit in.'

Are you really trying to twist and turn your way our of using the phrase 'far right' in relation to 'my views' here? Actually of course I know the answer don't bother. It's clear.

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EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:25

pointythings · 21/09/2026 16:24

Why do you think a headline from a right leaning paper is more reliable than actual source data? Posting a headline and then ignoring evidence to the contrary from source doesn't make anyone look clever. Just disingenuous.

What do you trust? The Guardian and BlueSky?

Lets see. Starmer and Reeves tried to cut it, failed and still the issue is there.

loobylou815 · 21/09/2026 16:25

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 16:12

She was protesting though wasn't she. She was being disruptive and causing nuisance to the people who were peacefully listening to the talk.

I've been to talks at the conservative party conference on energy. I disagree with those who believe we should do more and more fossil fuels, but I put my hand up to ask a question.

Disruptive protestors need to be removed ASAP.

Despite the Tories constant attempts to erode our right to protest, the right does still (just about) exist. Something I’m personally very happy about. Are you saying she deserved to be dragged by her hair across the room and hit with a walking stick for simply protesting?

I’m sorry I completely disagree with your views about disruptive protestors. The suffragettes certainly didn’t protest peacefully and quietly, and if they hadn’t have been loud and disruptive half the country may still not be able to vote. I can’t understand how anyone can support the dilution of rights to protest. It’s like this country is happy to sleep walk into an authoritarian state!

Boomer55 · 21/09/2026 16:26

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 16:22

DLA claims have been migrated onto PIP - a process that’s ongoing and has been throughout the lifetime of PIP. It’s a distortion because PIP migrants are represented as new claims even though there is no new cost. I get what you’re saying though and I think what most people forget is that PIP was introduced to save money. Yet the coalition government in their wisdom opted to open up the benefit to mental health claims for the first time ever. On what planet did they think that wasn’t going to decimate any projected savings.

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A lot of older adult 'for life' DLA claimants, in certain areas (certainly London), haven't and probably will never be migrated to PIP.

nomas · 21/09/2026 16:27

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 16:15

FWIW, I haven't "accused" the OP of anything. I have merely suggested that she might find other societies where her views are more mainstream.

You start to build up a picture of people's political leanings when you see them post across multiple threads.

Don’t you know you’re not allowed to tell those on the right who say they hate this country that they might be happier somewhere else, even though they trot out the ‘if minorities don’t like our values they should get out’ line constantly?

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:27

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:25

Hilarious

It's not my word though is it?

Too afraid to click on the link to go the OBR website because it will damage your ego

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I didn’t actually write the Times article it’s ok. You sound a bit sensitive if that kind of thing would upset you.

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 16:27

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 16:12

She was protesting though wasn't she. She was being disruptive and causing nuisance to the people who were peacefully listening to the talk.

I've been to talks at the conservative party conference on energy. I disagree with those who believe we should do more and more fossil fuels, but I put my hand up to ask a question.

Disruptive protestors need to be removed ASAP.

Indeed. Not beaten up with walking sticks and having their hair pulled by other delegates. Protest is legal, don’t you believe in freedom of speech?

JustSawJohnny · 21/09/2026 16:28

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 16:22

Uhm what are you talking about? Zero proof of what? Are you ok?

You're the one making shit up about government lawyers covering things up!

Do you blame brown people when you stub your toe?

PaulGalicoagain · 21/09/2026 16:28

@CoventryCity and @EasternStandard if you are taking this seriously you really should not be relying on newspapers to support your view point - it makes you look a bit amateurish.

HollyhocksandPeons · 21/09/2026 16:29

LizzieW1969 · 21/09/2026 16:25

Of course they are, it wouldn’t make sense to vote any other way, surely?

Some people vote out of suicidal empathy, it also happens. These are usually highly intelligent people, the best people, better than me certainly. So not all people vote this way.

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/09/2026 16:29

BIossomtoes · 21/09/2026 16:27

Indeed. Not beaten up with walking sticks and having their hair pulled by other delegates. Protest is legal, don’t you believe in freedom of speech?

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This.

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:29

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:27

I didn’t actually write the Times article it’s ok. You sound a bit sensitive if that kind of thing would upset you.

"I sound a bit sensitive"

Yes, I have that in my list of tactics that people use when confronted with truth

You sound a bit dumb, but you may just be deliberately deceitful - choose the compliment that suits you best 😎

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:29

PaulGalicoagain · 21/09/2026 16:28

@CoventryCity and @EasternStandard if you are taking this seriously you really should not be relying on newspapers to support your view point - it makes you look a bit amateurish.

Oh no. Poor Times newspaper. I’m sure they’ll survive.

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 16:29

nomas · 21/09/2026 16:27

Don’t you know you’re not allowed to tell those on the right who say they hate this country that they might be happier somewhere else, even though they trot out the ‘if minorities don’t like our values they should get out’ line constantly?

Who on this thread has said they 'hate this country'?

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nomas · 21/09/2026 16:29

JustSawJohnny · 21/09/2026 16:28

You're the one making shit up about government lawyers covering things up!

Do you blame brown people when you stub your toe?

Do you blame brown people when you stub your toe?

😂

I can just picture the Daily Mail headline:

“Muslim stubbed my toe”

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:30

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:29

"I sound a bit sensitive"

Yes, I have that in my list of tactics that people use when confronted with truth

You sound a bit dumb, but you may just be deliberately deceitful - choose the compliment that suits you best 😎

Ok it’s a headline I didn’t write. Don’t let it get to you this much.

hedgeknight · 21/09/2026 16:32

HollyhocksandPeons · 21/09/2026 16:29

Some people vote out of suicidal empathy, it also happens. These are usually highly intelligent people, the best people, better than me certainly. So not all people vote this way.

Suicidal Empathy

Another favourite of the right wing, like remigration and the great replacement theory.

Musk loves it.

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 16:32

Boomer55 · 21/09/2026 16:26

A lot of older adult 'for life' DLA claimants, in certain areas (certainly London), haven't and probably will never be migrated to PIP.

They are still counted in the overall disability benefit figures, although not for working age disability benefits - which PIP is - because the fact that they won’t be migrated was because they would have reached retirement age within a certain timeframe of the start of the migration process. What we’re talking about here is working age disability benefits - PIP. The migration process is ongoing and those being migrated from DLA continue to inflate the ‘new claims’ figures for PIP, without actually adding any new cost. It’s a distortion.

MajorProcrastination · 21/09/2026 16:32

The Daily Mail? Eww.

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 16:32

JustSawJohnny · 21/09/2026 16:28

You're the one making shit up about government lawyers covering things up!

Do you blame brown people when you stub your toe?

Oh dear. You're embarrassing yourself. It is a well known fact that Labour Are stopping release of that data. There is even a link to it on this thread. I suggest you don't show yourself up any more.

And why are you talking about 'brown people'? You sound racist, when you do that.

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