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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

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CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 11:30

To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country?

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. The latest example -

No wonder Labour won't cut benefits. More than half of Burnham's MPs represent seats where claimant count is higher than their Commons majority

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

Half of Labour MPs in seats where PIP claims are higher than majority

Some 212 Labour MPs in England and Wales have more constituents on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) than their winning margin at the 2024 general election .

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147745/No-wonder-Labour-wont-cut-benefits-half-Burnhams-MPs-represent-seats-claimant-count-higher-Commons-majority.html

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EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:12

placemats · 21/09/2026 16:08

Thanks for the clarification. So just to clarify. You assert the Times has an article that claims PIP payments will double in 3 years, yet you give no link or evidence to support it apart from a "photo".

Are you able to exit mumsnet at all and look? You have the actual headline right there…

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 16:12

TemperanceWest · 21/09/2026 16:05

Stink the place up more like, IMHO.

Another personal attack.

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:13

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 15:57

The usual from below, anyone can go to the Times if they have a subscription.

why would you need a Times subscription?

how about going to the source they are claiming?

Welfare spending: disability benefits - Office for Budget Responsibility

Their latest forecast is showing 2024, there is no doubling in the graph from present day to 2029,

there's been a gradual rise over time, which will include inflation adjusted values

Yes, I am saying the Times story is bullshit

Are you saying the OBR would leak to a newspaper before publishing the evidence on their own website? 😆

Welfare spending: disability benefits - Office for Budget Responsibility

The Treasury manages public spending within two ‘control totals’ of about equal size: departmental expenditure limits (DELs) – mostly covering spending on public services, grants and administration (collectively termed ‘resource’ spending) and investme...

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/welfare-spending-disability-benefits/

Ninjasan · 21/09/2026 16:13

Spaniels4Eva · 21/09/2026 11:46

As a small business owner, I feel despair. We are trying to exist alongside a Government that doesn't want us to succeed and employ people.

As a mother/grandmother, I feel even more despair at the undocumented men we're giving a red carpet to on a daily basis.

I agree. A lot of people employed by public sector has got no idea who actually pays their wages. They're in that lovely bubble with unlimited fully paid sick leave, final salary pensions, etc.
They have no idea how difficult it is to make money as a business. Real money - money that pays for everyone.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:13

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 16:12

Another personal attack.

Yep and yet the thread doesn’t get hidden, just that kind of stuff.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 16:13

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:05

Yep they definitely do. Not many can take the brick bats each time so good on you op.

Hear hear.

BensonAndStabler · 21/09/2026 16:14

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 15:55

There were no 'random' nor 'made up' statistics. All were referenced on this very thread.

Much as you'd like to think they were 'random' or 'made up' as it suits your little mental model of the world. It's possibly you projecting, who knows. Listen that's fine. I understand. Cognitive dissonance is a thing. We see it all the time. You're not the only one.

OK @CoventryCity, I'll bite one final time. I posted a link to a Home Office publication, with data which contradicted your statement. I referenced the figure I was used to support my statement. See my comment @ 14.44.

All I'm asking is for you to do the same; it shouldn't be hard. There are multiple publications in the Migration Observatory repository and you didn't specify a particular one. So please simply supply a link to the publication you sourced your statistics from, with the relevant figure/section highlighted. Thank you.

VickyEadie · 21/09/2026 16:15

Sewingbeedamned · 21/09/2026 16:06

100%. It’s a wonder any tories have the hall to raise their heads, considering what a fucking mess they have made of everything. I saw an ad about saving water yesterday - while water companies pay fat dividends to share holders. Thanks Thatcher - your assertion that companies would be best placed to make decisions about maintaining infrastructure worked out great.

I'm old enough to remember Thatcher declaring that "choice and competition" involved in privatisation would drive prices down for customers.

Yeah, that's happened - and you have real "choice" about who delivers your water, don't you?

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:15

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:13

why would you need a Times subscription?

how about going to the source they are claiming?

Welfare spending: disability benefits - Office for Budget Responsibility

Their latest forecast is showing 2024, there is no doubling in the graph from present day to 2029,

there's been a gradual rise over time, which will include inflation adjusted values

Yes, I am saying the Times story is bullshit

Are you saying the OBR would leak to a newspaper before publishing the evidence on their own website? 😆

Edited

It’s the Times headline, if you think they’re bullshitting send them a complaint.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/09/2026 16:15

2dogsandabudgie · 21/09/2026 15:57

You accused the OP of being far right, what has she said for you to form that opinion?

FWIW, I haven't "accused" the OP of anything. I have merely suggested that she might find other societies where her views are more mainstream.

You start to build up a picture of people's political leanings when you see them post across multiple threads.

ItsOnlyMee1 · 21/09/2026 16:17

tax more waste more tax more waste more tax more waste more tax more waste more tax more waste more tax more waste more

Kirbert2 · 21/09/2026 16:17

I'm on benefits due to having a disabled child who will likely need PIP or whatever it may be one day when his DLA comes to an end. I would never vote for cuts to it to disadvantage my own child....obviously.

I can't imagine many parents would. Most people are going to vote to benefit themselves and/or their families. That isn't surprising at all.

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:18

A reminder that the top 1% of taxpayers pay 29% of the total income tax revenue, and the top 10% pays 60%.

Labour would do well to remember that.

Piss these taxpayers off at your peril.

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:19

Kirbert2 · 21/09/2026 16:17

I'm on benefits due to having a disabled child who will likely need PIP or whatever it may be one day when his DLA comes to an end. I would never vote for cuts to it to disadvantage my own child....obviously.

I can't imagine many parents would. Most people are going to vote to benefit themselves and/or their families. That isn't surprising at all.

Fair enough, but those who are being asked to pay more and more tax, are entitled to push back and say enough is enough.

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:19

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:15

It’s the Times headline, if you think they’re bullshitting send them a complaint.

I'm not sure you understand

I don't care whether the Times headline is incorrect in terms of sending them a complaint, because I've looked at the data from the OBR and proven their story and your share to be bullshit

Why would I need to complain to the Times that a headline in a newspaper that sells clicks for profit does not match reality?

Do you complain when you find bear shit in the woods? 😄

Kirbert2 · 21/09/2026 16:20

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:19

Fair enough, but those who are being asked to pay more and more tax, are entitled to push back and say enough is enough.

Well, yes. By likely doing the same thing and voting for what will benefit them.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/09/2026 16:20

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:19

Fair enough, but those who are being asked to pay more and more tax, are entitled to push back and say enough is enough.

Quite right, without embarrassingly being called far right.

Brudffaa · 21/09/2026 16:21

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:18

A reminder that the top 1% of taxpayers pay 29% of the total income tax revenue, and the top 10% pays 60%.

Labour would do well to remember that.

Piss these taxpayers off at your peril.

We had many threads about this in 2025 from the jealous low earners clamouring and clamouring for higher and higher taxes..not on them though

samthepigeon · 21/09/2026 16:21

JustaDomperignon · 21/09/2026 11:38

Totally agree with you. It's gerrymandering.

Not sure it is.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 16:22

AnswerIsNo · 21/09/2026 16:19

I'm not sure you understand

I don't care whether the Times headline is incorrect in terms of sending them a complaint, because I've looked at the data from the OBR and proven their story and your share to be bullshit

Why would I need to complain to the Times that a headline in a newspaper that sells clicks for profit does not match reality?

Do you complain when you find bear shit in the woods? 😄

Edited

Oh no I care about as much. It’s Times reporting, I’ll see what comes up about it all rather than your word.

CoventryCity · 21/09/2026 16:22

JustSawJohnny · 21/09/2026 16:08

What a surprise!

Zero proof/source etc - just what they 'think' or 'heard' - probably via the bullshit bomb that is GB News!

Full tin foil hat for this one.

Uhm what are you talking about? Zero proof of what? Are you ok?

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ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 16:22

nomas · 21/09/2026 16:03

DLA bill in 2010: £11.5b

PIP bill in 2024: £26b

DLA claims have been migrated onto PIP - a process that’s ongoing and has been throughout the lifetime of PIP. It’s a distortion because PIP migrants are represented as new claims even though there is no new cost. I get what you’re saying though and I think what most people forget is that PIP was introduced to save money. Yet the coalition government in their wisdom opted to open up the benefit to mental health claims for the first time ever. On what planet did they think that wasn’t going to decimate any projected savings.

HollyhocksandPeons · 21/09/2026 16:23

HollyhocksandPeons · 21/09/2026 13:55

Spot on, pure economics.

Forgot to say that this is an amazing business model, not seen anywhere before these days - big business gets to use these low skilled workers, so it all positives for the big business. Who picks up the negatives? Correct - the socialist state who houses, treats them, educates their children - social housing, schools, the NHS. I mean, at no time in history big businesses operated like that - historically they were forced to adjust wages to make it feasible for the workers to work for them - i.e. be able to afford private housing, private medicine, private schooling. So big business operates without social costs associated with these workers - social costs are picked up by the state.

samthepigeon · 21/09/2026 16:23

Ninjasan · 21/09/2026 16:13

I agree. A lot of people employed by public sector has got no idea who actually pays their wages. They're in that lovely bubble with unlimited fully paid sick leave, final salary pensions, etc.
They have no idea how difficult it is to make money as a business. Real money - money that pays for everyone.

I am not sure anyone in the public sector gets unlimited sick pay, and final salary pensions went years ago.

Boomer55 · 21/09/2026 16:23

Schlossadler · 21/09/2026 16:10

Why do you despair of this one, specifically?

Because they all promise all sorts, and then back off and change it. 🤷‍♀️.

Burnham talks a lot, but it appears style over substance

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