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To think academics are seriously entitled??

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Bananavibez · 19/09/2026 14:34

Met a bunch of lecturers at party last night. Dont think ive ever met such an entitled bunch. Nice pay for minimal hours but complaining about how they have to answer loads of emails (??). One of them in their 60s actually admitted they would't meet the qualification requirements for their role if they were applying for it today.
So much bitching and whining and all i could think was "so how come you've stuck with this job for decades then, you could have gone out to work in industry if its so awful"...

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monkeysox · Yesterday 18:26

YoghurtPond · Yesterday 17:38

Sure, but there’s no onus on secondary teachers to publish and disseminate peer-reviewed research, or ‘contribute to the future of the discipline.’

Absolutely. Different pressures but more short deadlines that cant be moved in school.

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 20:26

monkeysox · Yesterday 18:26

Absolutely. Different pressures but more short deadlines that cant be moved in school.

There’s no point comparing the two. They’re too different.
I’ve worked in schools and now as an academic and they are two very, very different jobs.

BTW academics also have short deadlines that can’t be moved 🤷‍♀️

monkeysox · Yesterday 20:29

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 20:26

There’s no point comparing the two. They’re too different.
I’ve worked in schools and now as an academic and they are two very, very different jobs.

BTW academics also have short deadlines that can’t be moved 🤷‍♀️

I dont have short deadlines like 5 x lessons per day anymore.

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 20:32

monkeysox · Yesterday 20:29

I dont have short deadlines like 5 x lessons per day anymore.

Those aren’t deadlines though. They’re timetabled lessons which you know about in advance.

titchy · Yesterday 20:48

monkeysox · Yesterday 20:29

I dont have short deadlines like 5 x lessons per day anymore.

Academic also have lessons (lectures, seminars, labs) to deliver in a specific time slot Confused Plenty of deadlines, short medium and long.

Not quite sure why you regard short deadlines as worse - if I’ve got three one-hour tasks to deliver by next Tuesday, or twelve one-hour tasks to deliver by next Friday the pressure and workload is the same.

Mumteedum · Yesterday 21:35

I think teaching as an academic will vary a lot. Timetabled sessions are fine if you have taught the material before and you can get away with an hour's prep to update/refresh. Unfortunately, I have brand new modules with zero content and zero prep time so it's like a rolling deadline every bloody week to try and stay a step ahead. I'm over allocation and have a lot of other people to support in various capacities with my responsibilities.

I don't know that comparing teaching in schools to teaching in HE is worthwhile. It's apples and oranges.

monkeysox · Yesterday 21:36

titchy · Yesterday 20:48

Academic also have lessons (lectures, seminars, labs) to deliver in a specific time slot Confused Plenty of deadlines, short medium and long.

Not quite sure why you regard short deadlines as worse - if I’ve got three one-hour tasks to deliver by next Tuesday, or twelve one-hour tasks to deliver by next Friday the pressure and workload is the same.

Max 3 x days teaching vs 2 full days and 2 days of 4 lessons. I know which I prefer.

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 21:41

monkeysox · Yesterday 21:36

Max 3 x days teaching vs 2 full days and 2 days of 4 lessons. I know which I prefer.

You talk as though academics are teaching a maximum of 3 days and that’s it? You’re deliberately ignoring everything else the job involves.

titchy · Yesterday 21:55

monkeysox · Yesterday 21:36

Max 3 x days teaching vs 2 full days and 2 days of 4 lessons. I know which I prefer.

Academics will be doing other work on the other two days though which you don’t seem
to be aware of.

monkeysox · Yesterday 21:58

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 21:41

You talk as though academics are teaching a maximum of 3 days and that’s it? You’re deliberately ignoring everything else the job involves.

I find it much more manageable than school.

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 21:59

monkeysox · Yesterday 21:58

I find it much more manageable than school.

Are you still working as an academic?

monkeysox · Yesterday 22:03

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 21:59

Are you still working as an academic?

Yes

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 22:04

monkeysox · Yesterday 22:03

Yes

And you teach 3 days a week and do nothing else?

monkeysox · Yesterday 22:06

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 22:04

And you teach 3 days a week and do nothing else?

I didnt say that. I was comparing a week with teaching in it. The other work gives you more autonomy.
Marking in HE 4 week deadline. Class of exams in school a week.

MickyMoonshine · Yesterday 22:12

monkeysox · Yesterday 22:06

I didnt say that. I was comparing a week with teaching in it. The other work gives you more autonomy.
Marking in HE 4 week deadline. Class of exams in school a week.

Yes, there is more autonomy to an extent but you’re still tied to a timetable.
At my institution we have a hard 3 week deadline for marking and moderation. So the reality is it’s 2 weeks for marking to allow the internal moderation to take place. And the assignments you’re marking are much larger than the work you mark in school. So again, apples and oranges 🤷‍♀️

Sparklybat · Yesterday 23:31

lxn889121 · 20/09/2026 08:14

Academic here...

Going to disagree with some of the other academics who are objecting to the OP.

In my experience, while there are stressful and difficult parts of life in a university, there is a tendency for people to have a lower threshold for their complaints.

It is a common observation that I heard about before I worked in universities, and have seen since that there is a split in academia between those who have worked professionally outside of universities, and those who have been in education for their whole lives.

Generally those with professional careers prior to academia tend to find university life to be demanding in some ways, but actually fairly soft and easy in many others. The hours are great, the holidays tend to be great, the work-life balance, and work environments are generally good (obviously this depends on the university ands its management). Class loads, marking, student supervision are all easy compared to working in a school or in the private sector etc.

Yet those who have spent their entire lives in education.. School, Uni, Undergrad, Postgrad, PhD, Post-doctoral position, Lecturer, and onwards etc. They tend to have a slightly different perspective and get highly critical of the state of universities, largely because they are very (and correctly) aware of right/wrong/fairness/correct ways of doing things, but they have no comparison to how tough it can be outside of the university bubble.

I have no doubt that plenty on here will defend how tough the job is, and it can be very tough, but it isn't as bad as some, especially the "lifers" in academia would complain it is.

I’m confused at this idea of supposed hours and holidays for an academic. Just like any field there are academics who work hard and those who coast or let others pick up the slack. There is a vast array of input and output and expectation - universities generally are poor at workload management. I have colleagues who get away with a fraction of others work - I’d definitely find their job easy.

I’m fairly senior and average 50 - 60 hours every week and have a week off in the summer and at Christmas with some occasional days thrown in. It’s very rare to have a full weekend off and during teaching terms I work both days on the weekend. I answer emails almost every evening.

My work is intense (mentally not physically) and the requests constant. However I certainly think there are tougher jobs but there are certainly far easier ones too. I do have a lot of flexibility over those hours though ie I can work at 3 am if I want to. I’m also not doing heavy manual labour or having to save lives.

I’m more likely to complain about colleagues who slack off though than compare across jobs as I don’t think anyone can reliably do that.

I think a big problem is academia used to be relatively poorly paid for skill level but rewarding and respected with more time to focus on the parts that drew people in. Now I spend a lot of time doing admin and managing requests and very little time actually researching and supporting students to learn. Workloads have grown hugely for many in a short space of time. I haven’t had a pay increase in years despite bringing in lots of money. We’re allowed to moan after work to colleagues!

Sparklybat · Today 00:03

monkeysox · Yesterday 22:06

I didnt say that. I was comparing a week with teaching in it. The other work gives you more autonomy.
Marking in HE 4 week deadline. Class of exams in school a week.

What’s your workload like outside the 3 days of teaching though? How many hours on writing / updating lectures, how many PhD students, what’s your grant submission and capture, how many 3 or 4* papers do you publish each year, impact case studies, line management, committees, roles, personal tutees, conferences, dissertation students etc?

I’d be intrigued to know what contract you’re on eg lecturer, senior lecturer and at what type of uni.

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