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AIBU to refuse family use of our home for holidays?

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SayingNoToFamily · Today 01:24

I'm really cross about this and don't know if I'm being unreasonable. Please help me mumsnetters. I have name changed in case this is outing. Sorry, it is long, so as to avoid a drip feed.

Back story, until very recently we owned a holiday house (just sold it this month). Half of the house belonged to me and DH and the other half was owned by DH parents. We bought our half off another relative and have owned our half for a long time, approximately 20 years.

The house is in a holiday location and has been used by DH siblings (and their partners and school aged children) as a holiday home for all of that time. They never offered any money for their stay. We didn't use it very often as we were not living in that country until a couple of years ago.

Unfortunately it appears that DH siblings viewed the house as something they were entitled to use, rather than a privilege. Obviously their parents also owned half of the house, which makes a difference to how they viewed it. On some occasions the house was left dirty after the siblings had used it and when we arrived to use it we had to clean it. They have also used it without asking, as they all have a key.

We now live in a different holiday location, about 3 hours drive away from the house, so don't need to go there for holidays anymore. But more importantly we have never rented the house, so we didn't ever benefit financially, but it cost us money in terms of maintenance. This is the reason for wanting to sell.

DH siblings have had many years of free holidays, at our expense, mainly during school holidays, when accommodation is expensive. Sadly for them with the sale of the house this has now come to an end.

There is a school holiday coming up here very soon. We as a family (me, DH and our DCs) are going overseas for the holidays, meaning our main house (our permanent family home) will be empty. One of DH siblings, who would usually go to the holiday home, has messaged him to say she doesn't know how she's going to entertain her DCs over the holiday and asking if our house is on offer to them.

I am really annoyed about this. It feels like after years and years of having free holidays in the holiday house at our expense, they now want to use our own home as an alternative.

I don't want them to use it. I don't want the stress of having to get our house ready for guests when we we're already preparing for our own trip. I dont like the idea of other people using our home when were not there. But also I think this is really cheeky and they seem to expect us to still be responsible for providing them with a free holiday.

I think allowing them to use our own house now is effectively sending the message to them that this is now their holiday home, as a replacement and sets a precedent that whenever we are away they can use it. AIBU to not want them to use it?

DH does sort of agree with me on this, however instead wants to tell them they can come to ours when we are there for a 'beach holiday'. Whilst I don't have a problem with then coming to stay for a couple of days when we're here, I don't think he should be starting to offer them 'beach holidays ' in our house at this point, being so close to the sale of the holiday house, as in my opinion it's still giving them the impression that we're responsible for providing them with holidays.

Any advice welcome. Thanks for reading!

OP posts:
Dozer · Today 07:08

As usual this is partly a DH problem.

’doesn’t see the problem’ with - in effect- offering to subsidise yet another holiday for his sibling and family and doesn’t want to have difficult conversations, so wants you to do it.

Would make it clear to him that if he allows any family member to have a key or agrees to them using your home in your absence it’d be a serious issue regarding the relationship. And that if he invites them for a ‘beach holiday’ while you’re all there he will do the hosting and the domestic work involved before, during and after.

NetZeroZealot · Today 07:10

Just say No.

you could invite them to stay for a weekend when you are there but definitely no longer than that and don’t call it a holiday !

FlamingoQueen · Today 07:11

Just say no to them using your home when you’re not there. You’ve already said that they didn’t look after the holiday home and you had to clean afterwards. They will not show any more respect for your own home. Make sure no one else has a key.

Frumpitydoo · Today 07:12

WTAF?!! Hell no!!!

ithinkilikethislittlelife · Today 07:12

Absolutely get your husband to be the bearer of the news as they will think you are the instigator. What a bloody cheek!

nomas · Today 07:13

I wouldn’t let them stay at all, whether you’re home or not. It’s your house too, tell DH they absolutely cannot use it whilst you’re on holiday or for ‘beach holidays’.

Who would be hosting them if they did stay? Would DH clean, cook, wash sheets?

Because it sounds from your OP that you would be the one getting the house ready.

How did these CFs react to the house being sold?

HoppityBun · Today 07:13

Just say no

Shelby2010 · Today 07:14

I would be happy being the ‘bad guy’ in this scenario if DH is being wishy washy. Don’t give excuses or offer other visits, she’s asked to use your house when you are away so give a straight ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that’.

If she’s cheeky enough to push back on this ‘Why not, you’ll be away & think of the chiiildren’ then just repeat ‘I’ve told you. It’s not something I’m comfortable with.’ Don’t say Sorry & don’t make suggestions about coming another time. If you want to invite any members of either family at another time then that is a different decision for a different day. But your instinct to hold the boundary now is a good one.

TunnelLight · Today 07:15

PollyBell · Today 01:56

Why gentle?, sure i wouldn't be rude but this women have to act like a kitten thing mn seems to encourage is weird

It’s just to avoid any after awkwardness for OP. She doesn’t want an ongoing issue, just for them to stay out of her home as their holidays are not her problem.

Ophy83 · Today 07:15

SayingNoToFamily · Today 05:32

I am unfortunately, as some of you have suggested, quite concerned that DH will indeed cave and say they can use it.

I've told him not to use the term 'beach holiday' if he invites them to stay with us, when we're here, but he doesn't see a problem with that.

Thanks for some of the ideas for responses, I do think DH should be the one to deliver this, not leaving me to look like the bad guy.

@SoBoredOfSelfDoubtHowToGetOut the house originally belonged to DH's great grandparents, when they died it was left to DH's parents and DH's aunt. The aunt wanted to sell, so DH was asked if we wanted to buy her share, which we did with a mortgage. We didn't live in that country at that time, or for the next 15 years, so although ownership changed, nothing else did and as his siblings grew up and had families, they all used it. They didn't ask us at that time, as we weren't here and wouldn't be using it. It became more of a problem since we returned and can see them not asking to use it, not cleaning up after themselves. DBIL is actually worse than DSil in this respect and used the house last Easter and his DC left chocolate smeared all over the floor and fridge and half an egg stuck on the back of a chair. DH was really cross, but didn't challenge them. He did mention it to his DM, but she made excuses for them (which is what she always does).

@Woodfiresareamazing2 I would say we are more wealthy that DBil, but probably not particulary so compared to DSil. I think they all just used the holiday house for so long that they felt entitled to it and now are looking for a replacement.

@99bottlesofkombucha No I'm not a tidy person and neither are our DC. I have suggested to DH that he uses that as a reason why DSil can't stay, but not sure that will put them off from asking in future

@KWhOoo I was thinking the same about allowing them to stay overnight and how this could lead to more requests, but DH said my family stay when they visit, so why can't his. I've explained that my family come to visit us, not just use the house and they haven't already had years of free holiday at our expense.

Don't give reasons - if your DH says "SayingNo and the kids are quite messy so the house won't be ready for guests " SIL will say "don't worry about a mess, we're not expecting a hotel" or "that's ok, we're messy too!"

Just say no.

MyDeftDuck · Today 07:16

The occasional few days will definitely morph into several weeks and your home will be treated like a seaside boarding house! Don't start with the freebies at your permanent home however hard up the rest of the family are! Sounds like they have had countless vacations on the cheap and it is now time to step into the real world where you ‘have to pay or you don’t go away’!

lottiegarbanzo · Today 07:18

You’re right, this is a terrible idea.

I’d just remind them the family doesn’t have a holiday home anymore. Then divert to discussion of the next time the family will be together e.g. look forward to seeing you at parents’ at Christmas.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · Today 07:20

Absolutely you should say a firm no.

Not least because they left the holiday home in a mess but also because it’s your home.

If you want an excuse you could say you’re having some work done, or just a deep clean or something whilst you’re away.

But I think maybe that is the wrong way to go because it suggests their request would otherwise be ok.

”This is our home and we’re not comfortable with other people staying here” should suffice

Offherrockingchair · Today 07:20

Absolutely not.

I’d be tempted to write back and say given the state your previous holiday property was left in after relatives stayed, there is no way on earth you’ll be giving anyone free reign in your own, permanent home!

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · Today 07:20

Btc76 · Today 02:27

Beggars can’t be choosers. Of course you are not going to let they stay at your family home, there will be no one replying here who has ever heard of such an arrangement. You’ve effectively created a situation where you are the government and these relations are the welfare claimants. Deliver a hard NO!

You’ve effectively created a situation where you are the government and these relations are the welfare claimants

Did you mean to suggest that ‘welfare’ claimants are all CFs and scroungers ? Because that’s exactly what your analogy is saying.

8misskitty8 · Today 07:24

Id reply along the lines off.
' I'm.going to assume your joking ! Why on earth would I want to rent out our family home, its not a hotel. '

If anyone has a key to your house, I'd actually change the locks. Your DH needs to start backing you on this.

Ohyoudodoyou · Today 07:25

I heard this years ago on here…’no’ is a complete sentence!

Everydayimhuffling · Today 07:26

Don't give an excuse. You need to say something permanent like "no, that won't be possible. This is our home, not a holiday house". Otherwise you're going to have to keep saying no over and over, and clearly your DH will eventually cave.

I would also accept being the bad guy unless you are sure he can give a clear and permanent no. Better to be the bad guy now than when he's said yes to them and you need to undo it.

If you are offering a visit, be clear that it is for a night or 2, not some big holiday. You could easily end up fending them off every school holiday that you are at home.

Dandeloosha · Today 07:26

Hi Sandra, no chance! Our house is definitely not the new holiday home.

MyThreeWords · Today 07:27

Re your new house, you should absolutely just say no, without feeling the need to invoke some sort of practical reason.
"No, this isn't like the holiday property. This is our home."

But I don't really understand the previous situation, in which you and your DH owned half of a holiday home that you barely used. Why did you buy this property share?

Was it to help put your DH's parents - in which case it might be reasonable to say that the parents should be free to continue using it as a holiday home for their entire family?

Or was it for your own use, in which case why were you barely using it?

Since you had to take a mortgage, why were there not conversations from the start setting out terms for relatives using the property to make a proportionate contribution when they visited?

MrsMabelThorpe · Today 07:28

That's a lot of worss in your OP for "no, it's our home".

whattheneighboursthink · Today 07:29

Just over an hour away? That's plently close enough for day trips to the area. She's a CF. YANBU to say "no". If your DH is insistent, against your wishes, make it plain he will be solely responsible for getting it ready for them and solely responsible for the clean up and bed changes when you get back. And you will need a locked room/cupboard with a key only you have to put away anything you don't want them to have access to. With enough conditions he's likely to think it's too much like hard work to accommodate them.

Carodebalo · Today 07:31

You are not unreasonable at all. Even without the back story, you simply are not unreasonable for not wanting family to stay in your family home. We’ve had family members hinting at the same thing and I’ve half ignored it, and timing was never right thankfully. But if it comes to it one day I’ll be honest, say I find it a hassle I don’t want to go through, and say no, sorry, but no.

lottiegarbanzo · Today 07:32

And as usual, bet your DH doesn’t take responsibility for all the tidying, cleaning before and after, the planning, cooking and hosting during a visit. If asked he’ll say it’s no big deal. If left to do it himself, the visit would be stressful chaos.

I’d love to have a home magically always visitor ready and able to host guests with little effort from me. Imagine!

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · Today 07:33

OP your DH needs to tell them firmly that no, they can’t use your home for their holiday - it’s your home, not an Airbnb. And no your DH shouldn’t be offering a ‘beach holiday’ when you’re there. That comes across as though you’re compensating them for something - which is most definitely not the case. You need to have firm boundaries otherwise you’ll be inundated with requests. You are not responsible for providing them with accommodation just because you happen to live in a holiday destination - that gravy train left the station when you sold the holiday home.