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AIBU to refuse family use of our home for holidays?

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SayingNoToFamily · Today 01:24

I'm really cross about this and don't know if I'm being unreasonable. Please help me mumsnetters. I have name changed in case this is outing. Sorry, it is long, so as to avoid a drip feed.

Back story, until very recently we owned a holiday house (just sold it this month). Half of the house belonged to me and DH and the other half was owned by DH parents. We bought our half off another relative and have owned our half for a long time, approximately 20 years.

The house is in a holiday location and has been used by DH siblings (and their partners and school aged children) as a holiday home for all of that time. They never offered any money for their stay. We didn't use it very often as we were not living in that country until a couple of years ago.

Unfortunately it appears that DH siblings viewed the house as something they were entitled to use, rather than a privilege. Obviously their parents also owned half of the house, which makes a difference to how they viewed it. On some occasions the house was left dirty after the siblings had used it and when we arrived to use it we had to clean it. They have also used it without asking, as they all have a key.

We now live in a different holiday location, about 3 hours drive away from the house, so don't need to go there for holidays anymore. But more importantly we have never rented the house, so we didn't ever benefit financially, but it cost us money in terms of maintenance. This is the reason for wanting to sell.

DH siblings have had many years of free holidays, at our expense, mainly during school holidays, when accommodation is expensive. Sadly for them with the sale of the house this has now come to an end.

There is a school holiday coming up here very soon. We as a family (me, DH and our DCs) are going overseas for the holidays, meaning our main house (our permanent family home) will be empty. One of DH siblings, who would usually go to the holiday home, has messaged him to say she doesn't know how she's going to entertain her DCs over the holiday and asking if our house is on offer to them.

I am really annoyed about this. It feels like after years and years of having free holidays in the holiday house at our expense, they now want to use our own home as an alternative.

I don't want them to use it. I don't want the stress of having to get our house ready for guests when we we're already preparing for our own trip. I dont like the idea of other people using our home when were not there. But also I think this is really cheeky and they seem to expect us to still be responsible for providing them with a free holiday.

I think allowing them to use our own house now is effectively sending the message to them that this is now their holiday home, as a replacement and sets a precedent that whenever we are away they can use it. AIBU to not want them to use it?

DH does sort of agree with me on this, however instead wants to tell them they can come to ours when we are there for a 'beach holiday'. Whilst I don't have a problem with then coming to stay for a couple of days when we're here, I don't think he should be starting to offer them 'beach holidays ' in our house at this point, being so close to the sale of the holiday house, as in my opinion it's still giving them the impression that we're responsible for providing them with holidays.

Any advice welcome. Thanks for reading!

OP posts:
SayingNoToFamily · Today 03:39

TwentyDunhill · Today 02:56

How presumptuous and entitled. Did she not even ask if you were around that week as they were thinking of coming to the area and wondered if you were free for a visit?

You're not wrong to say no, but I think you will have to be clear that it's no forever, and not a "sorry, you can't this time because...", else you'll be making excuses every break.
It's a huge difference between a holiday home and your actual home!

Did you say you jointly owned the holiday home with your in-laws? Could they have told the siblings to go there whenever they wanted and treat it as their own?

Sil knew we were away over school holidays, as we had mentioned it previously. It really never occurred to me that they would even think to ask to use the house when we weren't there.

Yes the holiday home was jointly owned with DH parents, but the siblings still had to ask DH's parents to use it and when we returned to live here after many years of being away, DH did say they could use it, but to ask us first.

Another of DHs siblings, (not SIL who wants to use our house) DBil used it without asking on a couple of occasions recently, which DH was annoyed about, as if felt very entitled of them. They do have form for entitled behaviour though, as once, years ago when we lived overseas and returned to visit for a couple of weeks, with the intention of using the holiday house for that time (2 weeks use out of probably 18 months) they told us they were using it that week! They were corrected on that occasion (by DH's father), as we were definitely not going to pay for alternative accommodation, just to enable them to have a free holiday in a property we were paying the mortgage on, particularly as they were able to use it any other week when we weren't there.

OP posts:
ElefantAndCastle · Today 03:49

Don't be a doormat again.

givemesteel · Today 03:49

You need to get your husband on board with not setting a new precedent. Ie if you agree to host them for a 'beach holiday' they will all expect that every year as it sounds like they have that level of entitlement.

Just say no you don't feel comfortable with them using your home when you're not there. If they ask why just use the examples you've given, ie they've left the holiday home messy/unclean. I wouldn't feel comfortable with this either, if something awful happened like a fire you'd never forgive them.

StormInaDcup99 · Today 03:52

You could say something like....

"I'm sorry, but we can't make exceptions to our house security and insurance rules while we're out of town. The house has to remain empty while we are away. Let me know if you want some local hotel recommendations"

Rinse and repeat
...

SoBoredOfSelfDoubtHowToGetOut · Today 03:57

Btc76 · Today 02:27

Beggars can’t be choosers. Of course you are not going to let they stay at your family home, there will be no one replying here who has ever heard of such an arrangement. You’ve effectively created a situation where you are the government and these relations are the welfare claimants. Deliver a hard NO!

A bonkers and not at all an appropriate analogy.

But op, it’s better to say no. Protect your home and boundaries.

I am curious though - half of the original holiday home belonged to your pils who presumably said it was fine for all their children to use the place. Were you not at all consulted or asked if it was ok as owners of 50% of the holiday home property?

Woodfiresareamazing2 · Today 04:05

I'm shocked that SiL would even think it was ok to ask!

She's only an hour away herself from the tourist town, beach etc, most people wouldn't think twice about driving for an hour each way for a day out.

There is absolutely no way that I would ever contemplate anyone staying in my home for a holiday while I wasn't there. Especially given that they had previously left my holiday home in a mess.

As for inviting them to stay for a "beach holiday" - no, don't ever do this. You will end up paying for everything and 'waiting' on them the whole time.
It's normal for family to visit for the day, and maybe stay overnight, but I wouldn't be offering any more than that. And the focus/reason for that would be spending time together, not giving them a free O/N accommodation.

Why are they so entitled and pushy, aka CFs?
Is there more of a back story, eg that you and your DH are massively wealthy and the rest of his siblings aren't, so they expect you to subsidise them?

It's really quite extraordinary behaviour (as was BiL telling you you couldn't use your own holiday home because he and his family wanted it that week! That would have generated a very short, to-the-point response from me).

aloris · Today 04:05

Not sure I would leave it up to your husband to tell them the news that you won't be lending them your home. He may cave in and give them the idea that they can use it just this once. I think you need to tell them yourselves so that you can make it abundantly clear that this will not be happening and that, if they even hint again at expecting it, then it will be very damaging to their relationship with you.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 04:10

Are you a tidy person? I’m not so I’d probably say sorry we have a few things going on and it’s hard enough to pack, we simply will not be able to have the house ready for other people to stay in, it would be a big extra load we aren’t up for. We would love you to visit sometime though so when we’re back we should see if there are any dates.

whatever you come up with it’s a no for them staying there while you’re not.

Woodfiresareamazing2 · Today 04:14

givemesteel · Today 03:49

You need to get your husband on board with not setting a new precedent. Ie if you agree to host them for a 'beach holiday' they will all expect that every year as it sounds like they have that level of entitlement.

Just say no you don't feel comfortable with them using your home when you're not there. If they ask why just use the examples you've given, ie they've left the holiday home messy/unclean. I wouldn't feel comfortable with this either, if something awful happened like a fire you'd never forgive them.

I wouldn't be giving them any examples of why it's a no to using OP's home. With their huge sense of entitlement they'd start arguing about why her examples weren't reasonable.

I think OP should just say 'no, our home is not "on offer" for you or anyone else to use'.

I hope none of DH's siblings have 'emergency' keys to her house! Otherwise I can see them just turning up while OP is away and staying as long as they like ...

AlwayAnxious · Today 04:16

Hell No

SixAndJuliet · Today 04:19

Hi SIL

No as it’s our permanent home not a replacement for the holiday home. Here is a link for a local holiday accomodation company. Hope you get something sorted xx

SixAndJuliet · Today 04:21

Oh and I also wouldn’t rely on husband not to relent and agree to it if he is the one responsible for talking to family about this.

IAmKerplunk · Today 04:26

SayingNoToFamily · Today 03:19

They live over an hours drive away and we live in a popular tourist town (near to lots of other tourist towns) so if they were here they would be doing holiday stuff and visiting places they wouldn't normally go to, different walks, parks, cafes etc and we're near to a beach and they are not.

All previous school holidays they have used the holiday house, so that's kept their DC entertained. This is the first school holidays where they haven't had free accommodation, so she's obviously as a loss now. She could always book and pay for accommodation, like most other people have to do.

I agree, its definitely a no forever!

They live over an hour away and you live close to the beach? Bloody hell - my dc and I drive 3 hours for a day at the beach! Different parks and cafes? Sorry but that is funny. How did the previous house keep them entertained? Tell them to piss off 🤣

Mummyoflittledragon · Today 04:35

”We are so pleased you have happy memories of using our holiday house all these years. That house is now sold and we don’t feel comfortable continuing this arrangement with our new home. We hope you and the kids find something fun to do this holiday.”

A thank you would be nice!

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · Today 04:46

Dear family,
I am sure many of you are sad at the sale of the holiday home that (parents names) and (your names) owned for so many years. It just got to be too much of an expense for us and all good things must come to an end.

Also, we will not be offering our home as an alternative holiday home to anyone, at any time. It is our everyday home and not open for use for free vacation stays while we are gone.

When we are home and it is convenient for us, we will happily host for a night or two, but please remember, it's not a holiday home. That house has been sold, so I guess all of us will need to fund our own accommodations during holidays.

Our love to you all,
Jane and Michael Banks

KWhOoo · Today 05:18

I’d point out there is a big difference between a communal holiday house and your home. Send her a list of accommodation local to you to reinforce the message. And I wouldn’t have any of your DH’s siblings overnight in case it gave them a foot in the door.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · Today 05:19

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · Today 04:46

Dear family,
I am sure many of you are sad at the sale of the holiday home that (parents names) and (your names) owned for so many years. It just got to be too much of an expense for us and all good things must come to an end.

Also, we will not be offering our home as an alternative holiday home to anyone, at any time. It is our everyday home and not open for use for free vacation stays while we are gone.

When we are home and it is convenient for us, we will happily host for a night or two, but please remember, it's not a holiday home. That house has been sold, so I guess all of us will need to fund our own accommodations during holidays.

Our love to you all,
Jane and Michael Banks

This is a perfect response.

Tourmalines · Today 05:27

Cheeky or what !

rogueone · Today 05:27

No - simple as that . This is your home not a shared holiday home. Wouldn’t be hand wringing about it

Littlegreywolfcub · Today 05:30

TunnelLight · Today 01:33

Ofcourse you’re not being unreasonable. You just have to think of a gentle but firm way of saying ‘no this doesn’t work for you’.

In the future, don’t tell others your holiday plans.

This

I put YABU because you say no and don't give them a key to your house. Your DH needs to grow some

SayingNoToFamily · Today 05:32

I am unfortunately, as some of you have suggested, quite concerned that DH will indeed cave and say they can use it.

I've told him not to use the term 'beach holiday' if he invites them to stay with us, when we're here, but he doesn't see a problem with that.

Thanks for some of the ideas for responses, I do think DH should be the one to deliver this, not leaving me to look like the bad guy.

@SoBoredOfSelfDoubtHowToGetOut the house originally belonged to DH's great grandparents, when they died it was left to DH's parents and DH's aunt. The aunt wanted to sell, so DH was asked if we wanted to buy her share, which we did with a mortgage. We didn't live in that country at that time, or for the next 15 years, so although ownership changed, nothing else did and as his siblings grew up and had families, they all used it. They didn't ask us at that time, as we weren't here and wouldn't be using it. It became more of a problem since we returned and can see them not asking to use it, not cleaning up after themselves. DBIL is actually worse than DSil in this respect and used the house last Easter and his DC left chocolate smeared all over the floor and fridge and half an egg stuck on the back of a chair. DH was really cross, but didn't challenge them. He did mention it to his DM, but she made excuses for them (which is what she always does).

@Woodfiresareamazing2 I would say we are more wealthy that DBil, but probably not particulary so compared to DSil. I think they all just used the holiday house for so long that they felt entitled to it and now are looking for a replacement.

@99bottlesofkombucha No I'm not a tidy person and neither are our DC. I have suggested to DH that he uses that as a reason why DSil can't stay, but not sure that will put them off from asking in future

@KWhOoo I was thinking the same about allowing them to stay overnight and how this could lead to more requests, but DH said my family stay when they visit, so why can't his. I've explained that my family come to visit us, not just use the house and they haven't already had years of free holiday at our expense.

OP posts:
Glittertwins · Today 05:35

Good God, no way. It’s your home, they can find their own holiday accommodation.

Sunshineandgrapefruit · Today 05:40

No. Our home is not a holiday house. We sold that to get out of the holiday rental game and do not intend on starting back up.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 05:48

Have you tried saying loudly and clearly to your dh I live here, this is my home, I do not want them staying while we are on holiday. It would ruin my holiday. I don’t want the load of tidying the place so they arent tripping on our things. I don’t want to think of what to put away. I don’t want to think about them judging my house and my things and my kids things. I do get a say to who uses our house. I don’t want to pander to their entitlement, and I really really don’t want to set this up as their new holiday expectation. Please make sure you confirm in writing to them or I hear you talking to them so I know the message is clearly sent, or I won’t go on holidays. I’ll stay here and lock the door. You can invite them when we are here.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 05:51

SayingNoToFamily · Today 03:39

Sil knew we were away over school holidays, as we had mentioned it previously. It really never occurred to me that they would even think to ask to use the house when we weren't there.

Yes the holiday home was jointly owned with DH parents, but the siblings still had to ask DH's parents to use it and when we returned to live here after many years of being away, DH did say they could use it, but to ask us first.

Another of DHs siblings, (not SIL who wants to use our house) DBil used it without asking on a couple of occasions recently, which DH was annoyed about, as if felt very entitled of them. They do have form for entitled behaviour though, as once, years ago when we lived overseas and returned to visit for a couple of weeks, with the intention of using the holiday house for that time (2 weeks use out of probably 18 months) they told us they were using it that week! They were corrected on that occasion (by DH's father), as we were definitely not going to pay for alternative accommodation, just to enable them to have a free holiday in a property we were paying the mortgage on, particularly as they were able to use it any other week when we weren't there.

OMG that's shocking behaviour from your DH's siblings! They sound incredibly rude and entitled. It sounds as though they got more benefit from your holiday home than you did as they stayed there more often than you and your family, even though you were paying half the mortgage. I assume that they didn't pay towards the use of utilities when they stayed and they didn't even clean up after themselves.

There is no way I would be allowing any of DH's siblings to stay in your home when you aren't there. To be honest, I wouldn't want them in my home even if I was there as their entitled behaviour would make me dislike and despise them.

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