Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

I retired from the NHS 2 years ago, but pronouns in bio were already in noticeable decline then.

My DD left school in 2023 and there were several trans/non-binary kids in her year, I don't know what they are doing now. She is now at uni and there seem to be loads there.

DD herself, who is the least trans person imaginable - very feminine, into makeup and clothes - went through a (very brief) spell of it aged about 14 - this is the clearest example I can think of of it being a trend! It never came to anything but some time later I found what I'm fairly sure was a chest binder hidden in her room. I assume she sent away for it during the very brief "trans" spell and I very much doubt she ever used it.

She was the sort at that age to rapidly try on different identities - she said she was a lesbian for a while, which obviously would have been fine, but that didn't last long either - she's now had a steady boyfriend for two years.

I'm public sector and I see a few pronouns-in-signatures, but not many at all. No senior people have them.

No one said they aren’t. I’m just pointing out the cultural differences.

Whether it is ‘a thing’ anymore very much depends where you are, but in my industry it grew, peaked and declined and ultimately i expect that will be the pattern over all. I can see some sectors like NGO types holding out longer than most however.

Just to add a trans identity cost my daughter part time jobs. It was difficult to get an interview and then nothing. I suspected it was the outfit, hair and using a male name when asked what do you like to be called?

I have boy/girl twins who are now 19. Both of them, I repeat both of them during Covid times “came out to me” as trans. It royally effed them both up for some time, my son much more than my daughter (we are talking CAMHS and assessment for gender reassignment treatment).

Fortunately, my long-standing “that’s nice dear, I love you“ and “It’s such a shame all this is taking so long because of Covid” approach seems to have paid off as they are both much more well adjusted now. DS is definitely ND. But fortunately they both still have their genitals intact despite having asked to remove them (!) as impressionable teens.

FWIW, DD had a Scandinavian friend who transitioned FTM during that time, had a double mastectomy and is now dating a man. Go figure.

Pronoun declaration - written or verbal- is an instant red flag for me.

It's very worrying that the NHS - that deals with science, reality and bodies - has been so captured that they will see someone not stating the obvious (pronouns) as problematic.
Look at the Darlington nurses & Sandie Peggie employment tribunals (women staff being compelled to undress in front of male colleagues), the rape of the mentally unwell young woman who claimed to be a man and was raped within hours of being placed on a male psychiatric ward. The woman raped at night on a hospital ward by a trans identifying man - the staff undermined the police investigation for a year by claiming there was no man present so she couldn't have been raped.
All showing how complicit some NHS staff are in promoting sexual violence and predarory behaviour against women. It raises so many worrying questions as to the type of people working in and writing policy for the NHS.

Yes. I wonder if it's all coming from HR, or if its higher up.

I think this is why this fad lasted as long as it did/does. People who went through university when trans was like a religion (we are not allowed the word starting with a c, sadly) started to work at HR and in admin, got some additional training by Stonewall et al and they are clinging on to this like for dear life. It's the 25-35 year old cohort that can't let go. It's pathetic. I see it at the universities that I work with. I suppose it's a bit embarrassing having to admit having been taken in.

there might be a few recruiters still discriminating against people who state their pronouns (though I honestly struggle to see how it matters)

Trust me, too the average person it broadcasts that the person is 1. In thrall to a really dodgy set of beliefs and 2. Is the type to proclaim it.

Any person declaring their pronouns suggests potential trouble- is this person an activist, are they going to be making trouble, are they going to bore the socks off everyone all day long?

I'd say it has roughly the same effect as declaring that you have been saved by Lord Jesus on your CV.

I work in the public sector and this is also my experience.

I've watched pronouns evaporate like the morning dew in the past few years. It's just a few left clinging to them these days.

Presumably both? Senior staff in the NHS thoughtlessly promoting luxury beliefs rather than fixing the ongoing scandals of dangerous maternity care across the NHS & the HR industry being completely caught up with this rather than enabling an efficient workforce.

I don't quite see your point. If puberty blockers were on offer, I am sure he would have transitioned well before he did with, likely, less trauma and even better outcome. There are obviously health risks with lifelong drugs and I think this is very important to acknowledge when discussing puberty blockers in relation to informed consent and capacity of a young person to make this decision. I am not advocating for routine puberty blockers in children or adolescents for this specific reasons. But I am also aware that a blanket ban is probably not quite beneficial for all young people either. There needs to be a more nuanced discussion on the case by case basis but this issue is divisive and nuanced debate is lacking for that reason.
My point is that gender dysphoria is not a fad that 100% of people grow out of. Some of them go on to live very successful lives - become actors, writers, politicians, physicists etc. They are not all poor little lambs with receding hairlines and no SM accounts like the OP seems to suggest.

Peggie v NHS Fife managed to expose the issues in HR, but the top brass were noticeably absent. I suppose they will be happy to quietly let all the blame slide onto callow recruits like Isla Bumba.

My point is that gender dysphoria is not a fad that 100% of people grow out of. Some of them go on to live very successful lives - become actors, writers, politicians, physicists etc.

Any of the children who have been prescribed puberty blockers go on to achieve these things?

The fad of 'trans' only got ramped up about ten years ago, so children who were prescribed them aged around 13 or 14 will only now be hitting their mid twenties.

We are yet to see all the health effects of girls who were put into menopause so young, and children who had their puberty completely stopped. Who had extreme genital surgery and who are given high doses of exogenous hormones.

The lifelong risks are not even starting to play out yet. So 'successful lives', post childhood transition, is yet to be demonstrated.

It's far too early to make that call, I'd say.

See it as snowflakes sending cv's as in the private sector so absolutely do not entertain it.

If I was an employer I wouldn’t take them on either. They would come across as an attention seeking trouble maker to me.

AI recruitment is also trained on essentially biased preexisting human ratings. So if you turn on the screen for your video interview which is AI assessed, introduce yourself as a man when you're clearly a woman and have blue bits in your hair you will be screened out because compared to the other 3000 applicants you don't fit.

They have moved on to ADHD, anxiety etc. being their reason for attention.

@Ablondiebutagoody have not noticed that at all with mine nor their pals I have to say.

I interviewed someone from the LBTQ+ community for a professional role that was completely unrelated to his sexuality and sexual preferences, so there was no need for him to mention it.

He spoke about his sexuality and his activsim for at least 50% of the interview, he told me it was his main focus in life, it was his main topic of conversation when he spoke to new people - they needed to know who he was and if they didn't agree with his views he would report them to HR and get them sacked.

The interesting thing was he also told me about his intolerance of someone, who from his description, was clearly ND - he told HR about them too.

So despite his passion for "inclusiveness" - he didn't mean include everyone - he meant include everyone from the LBTQ+ community.

Self-obsessed and attention seeking - tick - actually inclusive definitely not. And no I didn't progress him to second interview - who has time for that rubbish in a professional environment.

I do agree that it’s the 25-35 year olds that are clinging on to trans being an actual real phenomenon that deserves our time and respect. My uni kids think the trans movement is just a pile of tiresome attention seekers and deeply embarrassing.

@Loghabit He spoke about his sexuality and his activsim for at least 50% of the interview, he told me it was his main focus in life, it was his main topic of conversation when he spoke to new people - they needed to know who he was and if they didn't agree with his views he would report them to HR and get them sacked.

He actually said all this in the interview?!!