Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

Local ftm (would see them every morning as I was on the way to work) is back to f.
One ftm teen at work is still m. Another (same year) reverted back to f after a couple of years.

I havent read the thread.

I work with vulnerable children and adults and Im not sure we are seeing a decrease. Its rife with the cohort that either are ASD or are on the pathway. I repeatedly remind people that I have never worked with any 'trans' child that hasnt had ASD/trauma/SA or a mixture of those issues in some way.

Social transitioning among professionals is automatic, a child says he is a 'she', thats how you have to start referring to them, or lose your job most likely. Most of us dont agree or are not comfortable but thats how it is, no discussion about whether that is right for the child, just an automatic, 'oh she wants to be known as Barry and a boy' and so there it is, all over the paperwork for the now 'Barry'.

There is no curiosity about why this child is saying they're not comfortable with their body, their SEX, their name, their identity, its just a given they are 'trans'

We have a long way to go.

Yes, I couldn't quite believe it. And I of course did not challenge him on it, I was very careful because I'm sure he would have loved to have his day at an ET it didn't surprise me that he was currently employed in the public sector...at the time it was all anyone was talking about.
I'm sure he thought we'd be delighted to add some diversity to our team, but actually we were just looking for someone to focus on the job we wanted them to do.

There is nothing worse than a colleague with a 'cause' and instead of talking about mundane things like, you know, the JOB they are hired to do they just bleat on and on about their current cause and I say current as a few have been employed in my place of work and at least one has flitted from cause to cause like every single thing is about freeing palestine - yes I agree should be freed but not really so much to do with the report I asked you to generate - or their veganism especially when you have seen them eat meat. Apparently at 'that time of the month' they need the iron so for 1 week a month they can eat the steak. One in our office is actually pro Israel so that was an amusing overlap. Still not sure what either of them got paid for as I saw or heard no actual work being done but we talked about anti semetism quite a lot. By we I mean one mouthbox to another one. Have all the opinions and causes you want but forget about them for the 8 hours you are paid to fight a different cause within the office!

We had a pro-Israel person in our office who complained to me that no one had talked to them about it and wondered why. I said had they spoken to you about it you'd have found that quite upsetting - so everyone says nothing, as it should be, it's nothing to do with the job.

I guess this is where autism might be linked. Hyper focus on a topic is so common.

I have two ND kids. One is hyper focused on a particular TV show. Has been for 3 years. Clothes, toys, books, posters, you name it, are all on this topic.

The other tends to have a hyper focus for about a year then cycle to a new one. But I've noticed that the cycles are now starting to repeat over time. All science-ish related e.g. space, dinosaurs, wildlife.

Mine are boys. But its well established that girls tend to have their special interests on more human related topics - people/celebrities, fashion, psychology etc. It kind of makes sense that disability and trans could become hyper focuses.

And / or it could be linked to a tendency towards binary thinking or rigidity of thinking among some autistic people.

I feel uncomfortable in my growing body: must be trans.

My sexuality isn't clear-cut : must be trans.

And so on.

(Autistic, gay woman)

It is exactly this and why the work needed is about how to recognise those feelings and manage them and understand they're completely normal, that all people feel odd and different.

Yes - probably a mix of both.

Plus autistic children are regularly less stereotypical in their clothes and toy choices. I was very much a tomboy and am so thankful trans wasn't a thing back them or I would have likely got very confused.

Funnily enough the rigid thinking works different ways for both my two. One is rigid in thinking you should be able to pick and choose gender. The other is rigid in thinking you can only be the gender you start with. Led to a lot of arguing when they got to know a trans child 🫣

Just had a wee quick look at some of the poster children for childhood transition.

It's not really clear what they are doing now. Jazz Jennings playing 'dress up'. Jackie Green wearing fairy wings. Desmond Napole making a speech at some LGBTQ event.

All of these young men were not only treated with experimental and extreme medical pathways, but were thrust into the public eye and monetised while doing so. Bathed in hype and exposed to far too much, far too young. They are now mid twenties. But still projecting images of themselves that seem childlike.

I feel very sad for each of them. The world has moved on. I hope they find ways to do so, too.

And a lot of this is not helped by the use of the word gender. Its sex we're talking about here.

My tomboy ASD daughter said when she was small that she thought she must be trans because she didn’t like my little pony. Her older brother (before I had a chance to say anything) told her that trans was just for weirdos and lots of girls didn’t like my little pony. Thank goodness he said that because I didn’t really know how to put it, but I dread to think where a 7 year old heard about trans anyway. She’s now a happy 22 year old woman. Horrifying that there are kids out there who’s mums would have chosen to trans them at that point.

Well, this narrative was not only pushed at children at formative times, but they were recipients of chanted mantras that suggested that if one identified in certain ways, one was due extra care, extra attention, extra respect.

Unfortunately, impressionable children told 'there are more than 100 genders' and also told that 'gender is fluid' and told or implied by omission that sex and gender are the same thing may well have absorbed that. Concurrent to that messaging they were told that there was a lot of hostility towards anyone with a special 'gender', and that this was 'hate', and that LGBTQ people were at serious risk of harm, suicide and hate crime.

So anyone questioning their assertions about their 'gender' was neatly labelled a bigot and a hater, and their view one to be fought, attacked, probably reported to the police.

It's been a state sponsored cult. And it's caused immense harm.

Imagine telling vulnerable children that if their preference for the 'wrong' toys or clothes meant their 'gender' was different from their sex, that their body could and probably should be changed to suit, and that anyone that disagreed was a bigot that wished them harm. They heard this from the BBC, the NHS, the government, from media, social media, etc.

It's actually surprising that we haven't seen more hoodwinked by it all, really. It's been a movement calculated to create an 'in group' and an 'out group' that has caused enormous rifts and division within families and in society.

To what end?

Bear in mind that WPATH, the soi disant experts on the topic, publish their 'standards of care' with a whole chapter on eunuchs, that includes links to the Eunuch Archive, which includes fantasies of very graphic child abuse.

And the NHS still links to this document. Still.

NHS Scotland had to report itself to the police when it was revealed they had hosted this document on their websites. For some reason, NHS England has not identified the glaring problem with it.

I check every now and again. It's always still there.

ncth.nhs.uk/other-gp-guidance

It's everywhere if you're always on social media. Being trans is sufficiently rare that many people may only very rarely or never come across a trans person.

Just a quick glimpse at some of the absolute torrent of pro-trans messaging that children (along with everyone else) was exposed to in the past ten years:

BBC 100 genders

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/world/bbc-withdraws-educational-video-that-said-there-are-100-gender-identities-after-backlash-302343/

BBC 'gender is fluid'

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220914-gender-fluidity-the-ever-shifting-shape-of-identity

BBC Trans hate crime rises 11% [many articles like this, just one at random]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66984843

Louis Theroux 'medical professionals are helping children with gender dysphoria transition from boy to girl or girl to boy'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05qkzt2/louis-theroux-transgender-kids

'How ITV's Butterfly hopes to be a 'game-changer' for trans people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45672230

“Trans youth are such a vulnerable group and there are many misconceptions around them,” says Fisher. “That’s why Butterfly is massively important: it is authentic representation that humanises us as opposed to demonising us.”

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/oct/09/itv-butterfly-how-anna-friel-new-drama-depicts-the-transitioning-experience

I had children in state schools from 2009 to 2025 and it's not something I recognise as being "pushed at them" at all.

Is it that rare if you are under 25 though?

I assume most posters here are not in that age group.

I don't think it's that rare.

I know one trans person through work. I know several (male and female) through my daughter at uni. I see quite a few around town on a regular basis, and a trans plumber came to my house recently!

Oh I also met a trans man plus female partner on holiday recently.

I frequently see big beefy hairy men wandering around in dresses and lippy.

We know that at least 80% do grow out of it if puberty is allowed to progress normally with supportive but not affirmative care.

We have no way to determine who is in the 80% and who is in the 20%.

Puberty blocker treatment was intended to result in a more feminine appearance for MTF boys. That's not reasoning that can be mirrored onto girls, and yet the protocols are used for both. That's hard to explain whichever side of the 80/20 slit the girls fall.

Long-term follow up has been actively avoided, so there's no way to know he would have actually had better outcomes and less trauma. The rationale relies on assertions by people who haven't had the treatment - who may assume they'd have done better if they'd taken a different path but it is merely an assumption. They might equally have done worse.

We know that 100% of children started on blockers at the 'recommended' age for gender treatment and who stay on them through normal puberty age will have permanent loss of sexual function, as well as various other physical health issues.

We know that boys on puberty blockers who progress to surgical transition need considerably more complex and risky genital surgery techniques than those who have gone through normal male puberty. This increases the risk of complications and need for revisions.

We know from animal studies that blockers used through puberty cause measurable cognitive damage.

How do you manage case-by-case informed consent from there?

I dislike promotion of so-called child prodigies for this reason, where a kind of pseudo-adultification is projected onto children by adults. The children who, we are told, want to study physics in their free time and skip multiple grades and go to uni at 14 years. Or who supposedly want to practice football 6 hours a day at 11 years, or play the piano for 4 hours after school.

The media and other adults, who should know better, LOVE these stories. They care not a jot that a child’s sense of self and identity is then formed around their skills and they lose interest when the child is an adult. No one cares when the physics prodigy reaches adulthood and is one of many other uni students, or when the footballer is rejected by the academy at 18 years and doesn’t make a living from the sport (as 99 plus percent of children first selected at 11 years are).

The so-called trans kids are another example of this. They may have learning, speech, social and emotional challenges but ANY discussion around ‘gender’ is to be accepted without question. If a girl says she is a boy, then of course she is! She may not even realise that ‘transitioning’ doesn’t mean literally changing sex, but none of this can be questioned. ‘Trans kids know what they need.’ Thanks to institutional capture, ‘trans’ children have power over adults.

However, these children, particularly those who have been medically altered, have a difficult adulthood ahead, because adult success is defined differently - independence, employment, romantic relationships. Jazz Jennings’s whole identity was built around being trans and he hasn’t moved past that at all. I remember an episode where he said he’d never experienced sexual desire which - while an expected consequence of PBs and oestrogen at very early puberty - is pretty sad.

This is exactly why pronouns go in the “no” pile — you’re basically pre-advising that you’re going to bring your activism to work. Not all such applicants will be as much trouble as the one you describe, but all such applicants will be more trouble than they’re worth.

Fortunately many schools successfully continued to focus on their core role of educating children.
Unfortunately some schools (cheered on by local authorities and depressingly the DfE) completely lacked in due diligence / critical thinking and allowed trans activists to deliberately target children of all ages with the "born in the wrong body" nonsense. They've run LGBT groups, worked with activist organisations like Mermaids, Diversity Role Models, Gendered Intelligence and countless others who've been allowed to sell their niche beliefs to children too young to navigate the idea of sex change.
It's only now the DfE have woken up to the harm that they've enabled & funded, and have been forced to issue guidelines that children must not be taught that gender identity is a fact and schools must not allow boys into girls changing rooms, toilets and sleeping accommodation (and vice versa).

For years activists have been allowed to tell schools that mixed sex changing sport, sleeping etc is inclusive and legitimate, that boys are girls if they say they are and more. Some schools have unforgivably gone along with it (urged on by the teaching unions).
And some schools have managed to avoid their children being gaslit about all this.

NHS Scotland:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/nhs-apologises-for-claiming-eunuch-is-a-gender-identity-DWzFm8_2/

'Yesterday Susan Buchanan, the director of National Specialist Services Division Scotland, apologised for the documents being uploaded "in error" and said her organisation would hold a full investigation into the incident.
A Scottish Government spokesman said: "This material was published in error. The documents have been removed and we apologise to anyone affected."
The new WPATH standards are due out later this year, and are also followed by the Tavistock gender clinic. As well as including eunuch as a gender identity, they are also believed to include dropping the age at which cross-sex hormones can be given to 14 and double mastectomies to 15.'

Here's a load of FOIs on NHS Scotland's publishing of the WPATH paper, for anyone who wants to dig about. A lot's been redacted.

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000247-correspondence-regarding-the-potential-adoption-of-wpath-new-guidelines/