Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

[Hippodrome]

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

This disorder is a) staggeringly rare and b) not about having both types of genitals, but genital tissue from the opposite reproductive pathway.

None of these individuals have anything close to two sets of functioning genitalia and the dominant reproductive pathway is still discernible - that is to say they are all either male or female.

Quite what that has to do with identifying as trans is anyone’s guess as there seems to be no over represention in trans identifying individuals.

It would be amusing if all the few hundred individuals with this condition got together and signed an open letter asking not to be lumped in under the trans umbrella please, wouldn't it.

After all, how do you change from one sex to the other if you are already both? (Which, I know, they are not, but it seems the quickest way to put it.)

But, could it be that children who are from non middle class or non white backgrounds find it harder to open up to family?

I imagine saying “I’m the opposite sex” to religious Muslim parents from Bangladesh would be difficult.

Can’t speak for middle class per se. As I said my experience is (other than the kids in foster care) the ones I knew spent the first half of their childhood relatively well off before parents divorce led to them becoming a lot less well off for the rest of their childhood. Moving house and sometimes school. One kid was terrified to move to a new cheaper neighbourhood (where I lived so can vouch it really wasn’t that bad) because he’d spent years hearing his parents say how terrible it was. Amongst all that upheaval maybe they took comfort and distraction in a new gender identity.

Didn’t know any middle class trans kids who’d been middle class for their entire childhood.

I know so many trans people, which considering the apparently tiny percentage of trans people, and my not very wide social circle, is quite amazing. My family member - autistic. My child's partner - autistic. A friends 3 (yes, 3!) children - autistic. Another friends 2 children- autistic. Another friends child - autistic. Plus many teens that are friends with children of my friends. Autistic.

I see a theme here. How better to get a a group you finally fit into than declaring yourself autistic and spouting the script to everyone. All these parents say the same thing, repeated from what their children have told them, repeated from what I've read over and over online.

I'm autistic myself, never been gender conforming, alway struggled to find a group to fit into. My God, would I have done the same thing as a teen? Quite probably.

I just can't imagine agreeing with my child (or multiple children) that their body isn't perfect, and is wrong, and must be damaged with drugs and surgery. My children are perfect as they are in my eyes, that is their authentic self. Anything that make your remove or add body parts is not authentic.

I really hope this phase is over. And it is a phase. Because I only know teenagers and old men that are trans. Despite the claim that just as many middle aged women are suddenly declaring themselves trans I have seen no evidence for this. You'd think I'd know loads, having been to a girls school, but we're all still boring actual women.

Non binary is more of a trend where I live. The key look is short hair but after that, any colour is acceptable, and any style. Pronouns are they/ them. If teaching, the kids are to call them Teacher instead of Miss/ Mrs/ Ms. Most of the non binary individuals I've come across are in their early to mid 20s.

There was a mtf trans kid in the same year as one of my DDs (now 30). I saw this person (definitely dressed in masculine clothes) very much the worse for wear/ drugs begging on a train a few months ago. This was a kid who had mh issues even as a 10 year old. Very sad.

You've seen the boys section of clothes shops. Wall to wall Boring Beige. Dresses in school dressing up boxes tend not to be ordinary dresses- they're extra-colourful and extra-sparkly dresses. It's no surprise that small children are drawn to them, especially if their normal clothes are all shades of sludge. Perhaps he'll grow up to be a fashion designer, or like that tailor who makes all his own clothes and dresses entirely in 18th century fashions. Or an artist. Or perhaps he's just a child who likes sparkly things and will grow out of it.

I'm Spanish. The NB movement has fortunately made very little progress there, despite repeated attempts from the left, because Spanish has grammatical gender – pronouns, nouns but also adjectives all are masculine or feminine. So you have to use made-up forms for all that.

E.g. "los niños" means "the boys". "Las niñas" means "the girls". A former Minister gave a speech talking about "les niñes" (a made-up form in Spanish) to refer to so-called trans and non-gender-conforming children, and we're still laughing about it. It makes the ridiculousness of it self-evident.

I sift through cv's for work when we are recruiting and quite honestly if I come across a 'they/them' or actually even a she/her, he/him I fuck it into the no pile.

@Hippodrome on the subject of middle class all the trans persons life that would be my DD. We're not divorced and live in one of the poshest areas in the South. My DD went to prep and boarding school. We've had both feast and famine but it doesn't correlate to any of the declarations of wanting to change gender.

Her friend who has continued with her new gender has married parents too but they are in a different education and employment bracket. The father has been abusive in the past.

i think there’s definitely less incentive for kids to claim to be trans now we know post for women Scotland it doesn’t confer the privileges that likes of Stonewall and pro trans lobby groups that it did.

My DC is year 7. There are a small group of therians but I think it's dying out. The only girl who is claiming different pronouns is autistic and has 'right on' parents who have encouraged her. I think once it's the parents goading you on it loses a bit of the rebellion aspect. It's like your mum desperately wanting you to listen to Marilyn Manson and helping you to paint your room black. It doesn't really work.

My DD isn't ASD but she does have SEN ( communication disorder). That caused lots of problems initially in school until it was correctly diagnosed. She was tested twice for autism.
I know she didn't feel she belonged but has always had lots of friends. In fact I'd go as far as to say she collected people. She keeps in touch with many of the overseas girls from her school days.
I'd rather not out her with her chosen profession but her experience will be extremely useful to others.

I have seen the autism and/or ADHD diagnosis and walking sticks use myself. There was also a link between sudden walking stick use just before PIP age eligibility. One of the mothers soon after was driving around in a car purchased on notability. So not sure if the trend comes from a financial motive as well.

@ThatJadeLion most mobility cars are 25+ for insurance. It's really difficult to get one ( I'm disabled with deformed joints). You actually do pay for it and need to be a '12 pointer'.

At one point you could have luxury cars (if you added a cash down payment) and convertibles. Not now.
I doubt many neets have mobility vehicles though of course parents of severely disabled DC will need adapted vehicles which they have to seek support from charities to afford.
Milage is also restricted to stop other family members using them for commuting.

Exactly boys clothes are so boring. Does anyone remember jazz Jennings? Parents claimed their 2 year old boy was a girl because he liked “ girly things” made a whole tv show about it. And they lived in the US so everything was done super early I think he even had full blown bottom surgery under 18.

Just why do people read so much into what a child especially a toddler likes? Of course you’d prefer big sparkly diamonds to another matching beige shorts and T-shirt. I also thought the same about girls doing “boy things” like preferring to play on the obstacle course to another boring tea party.

I see it more as failure to fly.

In boys it seems to take the form of gamers who become nocturnal and end up in a nothingness of life (often with weed use thrown in).

The girls I know of the walking stick variety are very vocal on social media about what they can't possibly be expected to do. I think it's part of the wider problems of the world or work where interview processes don't suit shy, socially awkward girls and a disability in this sense is a shield and a reason not to engage.

And many of these women do have some health issues but these become the entire personality, which is something different.

Kids need to be told this. That its all well and good to dye your hair and be your 'authentic self' - but when you get to the realm of work*, it can seriously damage your future. For no gain.

*there probably are some exceptions - employers that do value pronouny-people, but the point still stands I think; not having your pronouns on display won't damage your application

I think sunshine244 means counterbalancing the strong influence of the affirming trans community online. Nothing to do with AuDHD and mental health being "views".

I really don't think this is true. I admit there might be a few recruiters still discriminating against people who state their pronouns (though I honestly struggle to see how it matters) but it's a norm in many areas. I'm in the NHS and it would stand out and look negative not to state your pronouns. I work closely with the local authority and the children's secure estate, and it's the same there.

I guess dc needs to know what sort of a field they're applying in.

I think what someone said about disability becoming their entire personality is very true in a lot of cases

This has to be said about being trans too. The more sensible and reasonable trans people I have met are trans but that is just one part of their personality. For example they are a civil servant who does park runs and happens to be trans or a writer that is into musical theatre and are trans. They don't make being trans their whole personality and trans activism their hobby.

Public sector bodies are one thing. I’m private sector and in my industry I haven’t seen pronouns on CVs for a few years now. Word has gotten out that many employers are not interested/would view it negatively.

Jazz had his genitals operated on by Marci Bowers of WPATH who said he 'could be a porn star' because of all the photos they took of his genitals. Jazz was a child at the time.

Also operating was Jess Ting, a doctor who visited Epstein's island and solicited and took a donation of 50k from Epstein for a research project.

The surgery was botched and required revisions.

Both Ting and Bowers are men who call themselves transwomen.

Bowers was president of WPATH, which cited 'The Eunuch Archive' in its most recent Standards of Care v 8.

The Eunuch Archive is a repository of CSA fantasy. Specifically castration fetish.

Edit: its a repository of fetish fantasy that includes CSA.

Genevieve Gluck and Redux have all.the info.

Well, public sector organisations are quite large employers in the country!

My dp works in the tech sector and declaring pronouns is a norm there too.

Like I said, I guess it's about helping dc understand the field they're applying to.

It isn't true to say it isn't a thing any more, I'd say it's more of a norm than ever.