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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · Today 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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paomara · Today 08:48

It's all walking sticks and ADHD now.

2021x · Today 08:50

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Today 08:15

There are a lot of videos on TikTok now from people who are detransitioning and who are admitting they were either mentally unwell or getting swept up by the online popularity of it all.

There will be an enquiry about the medical ethics of this. Cosmetic medical and surgical intervention for minors should never be approved. People can't get tattoos until they are 18 FFS.

everynowandthenifallapart · Today 08:51

Both of mine went through some gender questioning. They went to secondary in 2019 and 2021 respectively.

The youngest took it to the extent that she gave me a letter saying she wanted us to talk about us calling her by a boys name.

I didn’t give an emotional reaction at all just said sure let me know when you’re ready to talk. I almost felt as though I was being offered a role of the reactionary parent and then she could push back against that and all the teachers could make me the bad guy (woke school).

Without that reaction it just kind of fizzled out. She is now the most feminine, clothes interested girl you could imagine and she’s also been diagnosed with autism which gives me insight into why she might have been so prone to outside influence.

Theseventhmagpie · Today 08:52

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · Today 08:38

I had no idea about this @Shedmistress . That’s horrific.

The Good Law Project is also horrific and an embarrassment to the legal profession.

Totally agree.

Octavia64 · Today 08:52

My dc is in this generation.

of her friend group, those who changed names and became non binary have stuck to the changed names.

nobody did any physical transition so can’t comment on that.

we went to our local pride last month and there were a few trans people around. There’s a pub night for them in my local town.

Snorlaxo · Today 08:52

My kids are very early 20s and ime queer and non-binary are more common now. The latter seems more popular with girls in particular although this might be a reflection on my children’s friend choices.

Kingdomofsleep · Today 08:55

Not really the point of the thread but you must have been very young when you had your dd according to your dates.

I was a teacher by the 2010s and never had any trans students then - it was more in the early 2020s.

Littlebearbutadog · Today 08:57

paomara · Today 08:48

It's all walking sticks and ADHD now.

Walking sticks, what do you mean?

ApplebyArrows · Today 08:58

The wave seems (unsurprisingly) to be coming through a bit later in the university context. I didn't really notice it till after 2020 and it hasn't ended yet.

Whaaaatszuuup · Today 09:02

Littlebearbutadog · Today 08:57

Walking sticks, what do you mean?

Young women and teenagers are using walking sticks. It’s a bit of a thing.

KimWexlersPonyTail · Today 09:03

In the UK it was always predominantly white, middle class kids in more affluent areas. I have been hearing about the trend for teenagers with walking sticks though have yet to actually see it.

Hippodrome · Today 09:04

Kingdomofsleep · Today 08:55

Not really the point of the thread but you must have been very young when you had your dd according to your dates.

I was a teacher by the 2010s and never had any trans students then - it was more in the early 2020s.

Yeah I was 16. Probably why I’m interested in this particular subject because I saw with my own eyes young kids transitioning and then had a child myself I was actually irrationally worried about it back at the peak when there were stories about kids being taken into care because their parents weren’t affirming their identity.

Seems incredibly silly now as the whole trend has fell off a cliff from what I can see

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Gateappreciation · Today 09:06

Whaaaatszuuup · Today 09:02

Young women and teenagers are using walking sticks. It’s a bit of a thing.

Not heard or seen this locally.

Hippodrome · Today 09:06

paomara · Today 08:48

It's all walking sticks and ADHD now.

I’ve actually noticed a few young people with diamond encrusted walking sticks and with toys attached to them, assumed they had issues with their legs. You’re telling me that’s a thing now?

Adhd was pretty big even when I was at school though

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MagpiePi · Today 09:07

Littlebearbutadog · Today 08:57

Walking sticks, what do you mean?

AFAIK, women who take cross sex hormones go through early menopause which can include loss of bone density and mobility issues so they use walking sticks.

I think using one is the new version of blue hair to show you are a trans/ pronouns/queer ally type person.

LesTaupesMerveilleuses · Today 09:07

I believe it’s moved more into the non-binary space…?!
The Pathways “clinical trial” has been used to approve the reinstatement of puberty blockers after Wes Streeting used emergency legislation powers to ban puberty blockers after the Cass review. For eg they want to counsel 8 year old boys on preserving sperm and yet they won’t be sexually mature then or able to produce samples to preserve. It’s very concerning on a wider basis. Meanwhile, the DSM on psychiatric disorders has re designated all of this as “sexual health” because the lobby groups didn’t want it to be a “disorder” anymore but most definitely did want NHS money to get stuff done on taxpayer funding so had to keep it in…intellectually seems quite dishonest. Look up Pathways.

tsmainsqueeze · Today 09:08

Shedmistress · Today 08:27

It is not over. Just last week, the Good Law Project, who share a director with Mumsnet, offered to fund 24 kids with puberty blockers and potentially cross sex hormones for free, sourced through Anne Health, run by a non medic who herself gave her son puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have his penis inverted. In fact her and her mother found it hilarious that his penis was so small at that stage the doctors did not have enough material to work with.

Personally I think a Mumsnet Director adovcating to mutilate and sterilise kids is not 'in the spirit' of any parenting forum but hey ho.

So yes, people are still raging about it all, many people think sterilising and mutilating kids because they like the wrong toys is a bad thing.

WHAT!!!!!!!!

Littledidsheknow · Today 09:08

It’s a trend, like others; albeit a more dangerous and damaging one than most.

Most of them would never have had the idea to do this had one or more of their peers not been doing it. And yes I do think there is often a ND element.

One of my DDs (autistic) wanted to bind her chest as a teen; another (recently diagnosed with ADHD at age 30) is now queer and non-binary, having been (apparently happily) female up till recently. Meeting and having a relationship with a trans-man-turned-non-binary person changed this.
I’ve met two of her friends who have had some surgery. They’re lovely people. I hope they have no regrets.

Weekmindedfool · Today 09:08

OhMyGoodieAunts · Today 07:41

I think there’s still quite a lot of non binary kids. I know of a few who are aged 10-15. Don’t know about full on trans though.

Yes the new fad is to be non-binary.

Catza · Today 09:13

Hippodrome · Today 07:38

The ones I knew were on puberty blockers at 13 and cross sex hormones at 16. I know that was legally cracked down on though but the number of kids identifying seems to have gone down anyway.

The last I heard from them was when we were 20 and I saw a photo on facebook of one of the FTMs and the testosterone had caused a receding hairline. Since then haven’t heard anything from any of them. We’re all 25 now

But that may not be universal experience. Just something you decided to focus on to prove your point.
My school friend in the 90s was (is) trans. Yea, his hairline is receding but he is currently an officer in the reserve army, works in cyber security, runs a small business, travels the world, takes part in the mud runner annually and has a very happy marriage.

BadSkiingMum · Today 09:14

To give the other end of the timeline, I was teaching through the whole of the noughties. My last couple of years were in a very left-wing area, not far from a famous clinic. If it was going to happen anywhere, it would have been there! I was in a senior position so aware of issues across the school and coming into contact with teachers from other schools. Not once did I hear about, see or come across a child who was questioning their gender identity. It just never, ever came up.

I believe that gender-questioning in children does genuinely exist but is a very, very rare phenomenon and that the spike in cases was all due to social contagion in the 2010s and onwards, possibly following the CBBC ‘I am Leo’ documentary in 2014. The phenomenon was then enabled by schools being more aware of the need for equalities policies following the Equality Act 2010 (which I think was a good thing btw).

I am also old enough to remember the ‘multiple personalities’ wave of the late nineties and early noughties, that was strange…

AngelinaFibres · Today 09:14

BeardofHagrid · Today 07:46

That dreadful SacconeJoly family have got one (mtf). He’s about 12 I think and they have fled to Spain recently and got him dressing up as a girl again (when they were in England he’d gone back to boys clothing). I keep wondering what will happen long term. I’m sure they will feature on a crime documentary one day, the mother in particular gives me chills, she is so much like Ruby Franke :(

Wondered what had happened to them. The dad was very odd.

MabelAnderson · Today 09:15

Littlebearbutadog · Today 08:57

Walking sticks, what do you mean?

Using sticks as though they have a physical disability or difficulty walking without one. I saw this recently visiting dc at university, the ones I saw were young men, in feminine clothes, all with walking sticks, I was surprised as I saw three in one day, it’s apparently a general trend.

Sinceyouasked · Today 09:15

I read a pretty crazy statistic this week that stopped me in my tracks.

At the Tavistock clinic 25% of their kids were ‘care experienced’. (This is a few years ago)

The rate of care experienced kids in the general population - 0.67%.

Now it’s being reported that if a child in care identifies as trans they should get their own room or animal. So of course if kids with nothing have an incentive for space or love why not access it? It’s unbelievable.

If 25% of kids with red hair became trans they’d be carrying out genetic studies - but if it comes from adverse childhood experiences we should celebrate it???

IceCreamCone543 · Today 09:16

It ruined things for my child... diagnosed with autism but was sent a chest binder secretly from Mermaids. My child is still somewhat fixated on this. The school encouraged this massively and decided to call my child by another name without informing me or even asking for my consent. Caused enormous issues at home as a result.