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To wonder if Reform voters actually realise that Farage and his cronies are responsible for the increase in migrant boats reaching the UK

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Meadowlands · 04/09/2026 23:15

Because Brexit , for which Farage was a leading advocate, put a stop to the UK being able to send the boats back. Before Brexit there was a returns agreement in place.
So be careful if you think he actually has a clue what he is doing.

OP posts:
EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 09:39

Cheese55 · 05/09/2026 09:35

You can't send someone back to a country if they 'don't remember' where they came from
You can't send people back unless the other country accepts them back and has a robust Home Office equivalent
There is a list of countries you can't send people back to full stop
There is a long list of legal reasons why someone can't be sent back.
There is a reason why most asylum seekers are given leave to remain and has little to do with them needing refuge
The list goes on.
Reform is not going to solve this with a wish list.

No I’m referring to the op’s claim the Dublin Agreement resolved the issue by returning people to France. No EU country has sent people back en masse to a first country of entry, ie Spain, Italy or Greece.

It wasn’t what the DA did, the numbers were tiny.

Windsurf · 05/09/2026 09:51

5128gap · 05/09/2026 08:55

I understand the proposals as well as anyone could from the childlike bare bones of a wishlist Reform call their 'manifesto'.
I also understand welfare benefits and the impact of changes to the system. I understand the difference between policies that will actually reduce public spending and those that merely appear to, while actually just moving spending from one place (benefits) to others (NHS, social care, social services, CJS) Do you? If not, you might want to try before you parrot their nonsense.

I haven't parroted anyone's nonsense, I'm simply mocking your string of clichés about people you despise and what you want to pretend they think, as if you either know or care. You don't. You despise them at the same time as claiming to know what they "wish for".

Goggga · 05/09/2026 09:57

Cheese55 · 05/09/2026 09:35

You can't send someone back to a country if they 'don't remember' where they came from
You can't send people back unless the other country accepts them back and has a robust Home Office equivalent
There is a list of countries you can't send people back to full stop
There is a long list of legal reasons why someone can't be sent back.
There is a reason why most asylum seekers are given leave to remain and has little to do with them needing refuge
The list goes on.
Reform is not going to solve this with a wish list.

The USA at least (a great ally) just refuses to hear asylum cases now. Just detains till they ascertain identity and then deports

Windsurf · 05/09/2026 10:00

Cheese55 · 05/09/2026 09:35

You can't send someone back to a country if they 'don't remember' where they came from
You can't send people back unless the other country accepts them back and has a robust Home Office equivalent
There is a list of countries you can't send people back to full stop
There is a long list of legal reasons why someone can't be sent back.
There is a reason why most asylum seekers are given leave to remain and has little to do with them needing refuge
The list goes on.
Reform is not going to solve this with a wish list.

Why are you suggesting a government would use a "wish list" when parliament is responsible for the law making process in Britain.

Anti Reformers seem only able to talk about wishing as if they have no clue what a government is or does.

Angela59 · 05/09/2026 10:01

Meadowlands · 04/09/2026 23:15

Because Brexit , for which Farage was a leading advocate, put a stop to the UK being able to send the boats back. Before Brexit there was a returns agreement in place.
So be careful if you think he actually has a clue what he is doing.

We were never part of the Schengen agreement so returns were not legal, under eu law that is.

ItWasnaMeGuv · 05/09/2026 10:03

Goggga · 05/09/2026 09:57

The USA at least (a great ally) just refuses to hear asylum cases now. Just detains till they ascertain identity and then deports

Enter illegally? Sent home. Enter legally? Let us hear your story.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 10:03

randomchap · 05/09/2026 00:36

Farage and reform don't want the boats to stop. They want them there as a permanent scapegoat to point the finger at

As long as they can whip up a frenzy from about 30% of the population then they can win seats.

Then they'll properly and irreversibly fuck the country while enriching their backers at the cost of you and me

He's not a patriot, he's not on your side. He's a cunt who just wants to enrich himself and his mates

He's not on your side. Unless you're a billonaire who donated to him

That's just ill-informed speculation.

Cheese55 · 05/09/2026 10:08

Windsurf · 05/09/2026 10:00

Why are you suggesting a government would use a "wish list" when parliament is responsible for the law making process in Britain.

Anti Reformers seem only able to talk about wishing as if they have no clue what a government is or does.

Reform cannot change international law so it is a wish list.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:09

Cheese55 · 05/09/2026 10:08

Reform cannot change international law so it is a wish list.

The French elections will be a major factor.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 10:10

5128gap · 05/09/2026 08:30

The benefits system in the UK is also putting food on the table and keeping a roof over the heads of a huge chunk of Reform support. Very few of their voting demographic (the less well educated less well paid) would benefit from welfare cuts. Its been implied that if we gave less to immigrants then there would be more for them, because they see themselves as 'genuine'. However this is a very simplistic understanding of the situation. Welfare cuts mean less money for the poorest people in our society, so they need to be very careful what they wish for.

This is rubbish.
How do you know the demographic of Reform voters?

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 10:11

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:09

The French elections will be a major factor.

Yes, the Right are gathering momentum, people are sick of that 'pretty boy' Macron.

AndyKitten · 05/09/2026 10:21

Too bad we didn’t stay.

We could have been joining Austria. Greece, The Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark in sending migrants to a safe third country.

Goggga · 05/09/2026 10:21

ItWasnaMeGuv · 05/09/2026 10:03

Enter illegally? Sent home. Enter legally? Let us hear your story.

I honestly wouldn't allow anyone to apply really. What India does is that they have certain groups they want to be allowed to apply. It's like how we did it for Ukrainians. But I don't want people from Afghanistan or Somalia or the Sudans to come.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:21

AndyKitten · 05/09/2026 10:21

Too bad we didn’t stay.

We could have been joining Austria. Greece, The Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark in sending migrants to a safe third country.

We had that earlier but it got scrapped.

AndyKitten · 05/09/2026 10:27

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:21

We had that earlier but it got scrapped.

Too bad it did.

We seem to have been ahead but now we lost millions on that scheme while others are happy to use it.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 10:35

AndyKitten · 05/09/2026 10:21

Too bad we didn’t stay.

We could have been joining Austria. Greece, The Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark in sending migrants to a safe third country.

We had our own plan that never got used.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 10:38

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:21

We had that earlier but it got scrapped.

Yes and I can confirm it was acting as a deterrent and migrants were heading for Southern Ireland

Sereine · 05/09/2026 10:45

ItWasnaMeGuv · 05/09/2026 10:03

Enter illegally? Sent home. Enter legally? Let us hear your story.

That might work if we offered a means of claiming asylum support before coming to the country. It would have been perfectly possible but for Brexit. As it is, most asylum seekers have no choice but to come without visas etc and that means they are entering legally.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:47

Sereine · 05/09/2026 10:45

That might work if we offered a means of claiming asylum support before coming to the country. It would have been perfectly possible but for Brexit. As it is, most asylum seekers have no choice but to come without visas etc and that means they are entering legally.

This isn’t the case. Brexit isn’t a factor for where people claim.

KatiePricesKnickers · 05/09/2026 10:48

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:47

This isn’t the case. Brexit isn’t a factor for where people claim.

Stop it with all your facts.
It was Brexit! Brexit! Your hear me?

ITMA2000 · 05/09/2026 10:59

HouseMouseSamosa · 05/09/2026 00:41

Touché.

He doesn’t even try to hide it, that’s the funniest thing. I knew he was a massive cunt but watching the speeches he made whilst cosying up to Trump on the documentary about the Cambridge Analytica scandal was next level cuntery. Anyone who thinks he’s got anyone’s interests other than his own and his rich mates’ at heart needs a check up from the neck up.

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I think you are using Touché in the wrong context. It signals you recognise a riposte, not agreement.

Goggga · 05/09/2026 11:03

I might not like Nigel. But I don't like the boats.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 11:07

KatiePricesKnickers · 05/09/2026 10:48

Stop it with all your facts.
It was Brexit! Brexit! Your hear me?

😆

zurigo · 05/09/2026 11:10

Of course they don't OP, anyone who votes Reform is hard of thinking skills. They're not even a proper party, they're a populist protest movement. They could no more govern this country than I could.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 11:10

HouseMouseSamosa · 05/09/2026 00:41

Touché.

He doesn’t even try to hide it, that’s the funniest thing. I knew he was a massive cunt but watching the speeches he made whilst cosying up to Trump on the documentary about the Cambridge Analytica scandal was next level cuntery. Anyone who thinks he’s got anyone’s interests other than his own and his rich mates’ at heart needs a check up from the neck up.

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Jealous much ?
No arguments just insults, a poor show.