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AIBU to feel angry about Notting Hill Carnival behaviour?

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ProudBlackMomma · 01/09/2026 10:41

Any other London folk mortified by the Notting Hill carnival? Hundreds of arrests, lewd behaviour, vulgarity and litter. It does not represent my culture. It’s an embarrassment.

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JHound · 02/09/2026 18:50

Imaginary86 · 02/09/2026 18:45

Yeah, whats a death or two and a couple of stabbings as long as it’s fun for everyone else

To be brutally honest - yes. I don’t see why 1 tragedy 2 years ago should mar what has been millions each year of people embracing carnival culture, coming together and having fun.

I an fully aware why Carnival “angers” people and it’s nothing to do with arrests.

But for those who don’t like Carnival there is the world’s easiest solution: Don’t Attend.

Munchie1965 · 02/09/2026 19:13

Millions of people attend does not mean millions enjoy it. Im sure many go for the first time expecting big fun but are sadly disappointed.

A few years ago my boss went with her Italian boyfriend (visiting from Italy long distance relationship). She went with high hopes but came away disappointed. She said people kept trying to start on her boyfriend.

I didnt know what to say as it was not a big surprise to me. I guessed at the time he was probably walking around wide eyed like a tourist and people took it the wrong way.

OneLilacHedgehog · 02/09/2026 20:26

Probably leering at women and their partners took offence.

It's a busy crowded day. Some people love this sort of thing, some don't. Don't go if it's not your kind of thing.

KatiePricesKnickers · 02/09/2026 21:26

JHound · 02/09/2026 18:24

This happened at Liverpool Street station. That is nowhere near NHC. To link the two because he had been at carnival earlier in the day and was heading home is tenuous in the extreme!

But this perfectly embodies the media’s deliberate narrative. They want to paint the event as problematic so even a link which is simply “victim had been at the carnival earlier in the day and is not on their way home” becomes tied to carnival despite happening nowhere near it.

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They were on their way home from NHC. Neither of them would be in Liverpool Street Station were it not for NHC.
So yes, it’s another NHC murder.

OneLilacHedgehog · 02/09/2026 21:38

So someone murdered in Liverpool on way home from carnival is a carnival murder?

Ridiculous

MorganKitten · 02/09/2026 21:52

ProudBlackMomma · 01/09/2026 20:41

Not Hyde Park, please!

Maybe somewhere like Brockwell Park/Mitcham? Notting Hill really not appropriate.

Why not Notting Hill?
it started as a response to the Notting Hill race riots so why change the location?

OneLilacHedgehog · 02/09/2026 22:03

Maybe move Glastonbury to Scotland as well?

user5783940 · 02/09/2026 22:12

KatiePricesKnickers · 02/09/2026 21:26

They were on their way home from NHC. Neither of them would be in Liverpool Street Station were it not for NHC.
So yes, it’s another NHC murder.

Isn't that like sort of like blaming Sainsbury's if someone is killed or injured in a car accident on their way home from doing their weekly shop? The wouldn't have been at that junction if not for having gone to the store. Bit of a reach, surely?

dramaatthecornershop · 02/09/2026 22:50

user5783940 · 02/09/2026 22:12

Isn't that like sort of like blaming Sainsbury's if someone is killed or injured in a car accident on their way home from doing their weekly shop? The wouldn't have been at that junction if not for having gone to the store. Bit of a reach, surely?

Agreed. Zero logic. Just ridiculous!

Absolutelynot2 · 02/09/2026 22:56

Grim and awful. Used up the time and attention of more than 7000 officers and new figures have admitted there were more arrests than ever, currently standing at the record of 636.

Those arrested included individuals suspected of sexual offences, assault, and possession of weapons and this Carnival has to be relocated behind secure fencing with just 4 entrances, with police/security guards and sniffer dogs with metal detectors.

Ah, you can smell the cultural enrichment.

TallSturdyGirls · 02/09/2026 22:59

Ablondiebutagoody · 01/09/2026 11:12

It's grim. Being on those streets in the evening, everywhere boarded up is scary. A genuine air of menace.

Every fucking week after the rugby and football by me :(

NotAnotherScarf · 02/09/2026 23:02

Rothburypixie · 02/09/2026 07:57

Thank you for that deeply interesting history lesson. Somerset tourism should take you on as head of marketing.

We are a forgotten corner of the country. Remember no Somerset no England...see Alfred the Great for details...your welcome

Happyd · 02/09/2026 23:17

OP have you ever been to carnival? If not you can’t judge , I’ve been many many times it fabulous, happy , smiley people , pubs are rocking .. the whole area comes alive … yes there is trouble but with 2 million people your going to get that !,

Netcurtainnelly · 02/09/2026 23:42

Every year there's trouble there.

Jane379 · 03/09/2026 01:54

OneLilacHedgehog · 02/09/2026 12:07

People buy a house there knowing what happens. This is like moving to the countryside and complaining about the smell of muck spreading.

Has the Carnival escalated though? Was it always this loud and crowded?

Jane379 · 03/09/2026 02:02

I know AI like Claude should not be trusted without checking, but I asked it to compare the policing strategies in Caribbean countries which have carnivals to the NHC policing strategies. They are all stricter and do not have the same numbers:

Barbados — Crop Over / Grand Kadooment

The most substantial operation among the smaller islands, and notably it involves the military as a matter of course: a joint Barbados Police Service–Barbados Defence Force operation, with BDF tactical support to police's Tactical Response Unit. The 2026 plan included drone and CCTV surveillance, checkpoint screening, traffic diversion, rapid-response teams, and named historic hotspot locations (Eagle Hall Junction, Black Rock Main Road) that get specific extra monitoring. It's smaller in absolute scale — the largest band runs to about 2,200 revellers, nowhere near Notting Hill's crowd — but strikingly, the toolkit (drones, CCTV, tactical units) mirrors big-carnival policing almost exactly. Recent years have been reported incident-free.

St. Lucia — Lucian Carnival

A more conventional, lighter model: increased foot and mobile patrols, strategic deployment along the parade route within an "inner perimeter" of Castries (the capital), and special response teams for quick incident response — but no defense-force involvement. Notably, police there tie their Carnival messaging to genuinely falling year-round crime stats (double-digit drops in burglary, robbery, theft) rather than framing Carnival as a standalone risk event.

St. Vincent — Vincy Mas

This is the most explicitly item-control-focused of the group: a strict no-glass-bottle policy (pour into plastic cups) and a special protocol requiring even licensed firearms to be surrendered before entering event venues like Victoria Park — a notably more restrictive approach to weapons than anywhere else we've discussed, including Notting Hill. There's also a standing pre-Carnival "Crime Prevention Week" — a public-education push run in schools before the festival even starts, aimed at prevention rather than just enforcement during the event. Officials there consistently brand it "the safest carnival in the region."

The common pattern across all three

  • *Single, contained route through one town/capital* rather than a residential grid, avoiding Notting Hill's chokepoint problem structurally rather than through active management.
  • *Registered bands with known, capped sizes* (Barbados's ~2,200-person largest band vs. Notting Hill's roughly 48 unregistered-in-comparison mas bands feeding into a 2-million-strong open crowd) — closer to Trinidad's model than London's.
  • *Item bans (glass, weapons) enforced at the point of entry*, which is only logistically possible because these events have defined entry points — again, a structural advantage Notting Hill's open street format doesn't have.
  • *Success is measured and reported publicly as "incident-free"* each year, a framing that's notably more confident and specific than anything in the Met's own reporting on Notting Hill.

Trinidad Carnival (Port of Spain)
Trinidad runs a branded, intelligence-led operation — "Operation Secure De VIBES" (Visibility, Intelligence, Border and Band Security, Enforcement, Safety for all) — with over 1,000 officers and a named Gold Commander structure similar to London's. Distinctive elements include mandatory registration of large masquerade bands and orchestras and a "zero tolerance for violence" enforcement posture alongside high-visibility patrols. Officials called 2026 among the safest Carnivals in the last 20 years, while still acknowledging minor friction is normal at an event of that scale.
TTPS READY FOR CARNIVAL | 7pmnews | tv6tnt.com +2

Jane379 · 03/09/2026 02:02

Sorry, I didn't mean the bold bits to come out like that!

MumofCandR · 03/09/2026 03:24

Rothburypixie · 01/09/2026 10:44

I think all carnivals/festivals experience some trouble, be it fighting or drugs etc. There’s always some who ruin if for others and the press love to shine a light on Carnival especially.

The individuals who have been arrested should feel embarrassed not you. Thousands of people enjoy carnival every year who behave accordingly.

Only in England. In Portugal it's a family event, no drugs, no hooligan behavior. It's an unfortunate spotlight on pervasive hooligan culture within the UK. It's sadly rife in many levels of British society from football fans to stag dos where thugish behavior is accepted as the 'norm', it's not acceptable.

MumofCandR · 03/09/2026 03:32

nomas · 01/09/2026 11:20

It does not represent my culture.

What culture is that?

British hooligan culture? Sadly brits in crowds ( football, stag dos etc.) are infamous for it. Best of British. From the article it seems no worse than any large UK event re some negative criminal behavior from a minority of hooligans who tar the entire event for those having a good time. Shame, but very much a negative facet of British culture.

Feduptryingusernames · 03/09/2026 03:46

It's a magnet for bad behaviour, troublemakers and doesn't represent any culture. Should be banned.

Reformnow · 03/09/2026 04:10

MumofCandR · 03/09/2026 03:32

British hooligan culture? Sadly brits in crowds ( football, stag dos etc.) are infamous for it. Best of British. From the article it seems no worse than any large UK event re some negative criminal behavior from a minority of hooligans who tar the entire event for those having a good time. Shame, but very much a negative facet of British culture.

I did enjoy carnival the few times I went last time being about 2012. But i agree there is a wider issue with British culture. I grew up in Glasgow and felt very on edge some weekends living near a particular football stadium or travelling on the subway system after that when it was swarming with football fans.

MulberryFresser · 03/09/2026 04:14

TomahawkSteak · 01/09/2026 10:59

I think it's grown into something that doesn't really work in the area where it takes place- far too crowded, no facilities- I think it makes it really hard for it to be run in a way that's safe and enjoyable for everyone.

This is my concern - they should move it to Hyde Park and stop blocking up the roads.

AquamarinePearlGold · 03/09/2026 08:26

Closetangel · 01/09/2026 12:01

I went yesterday and had an amazing time! Nothing Hill carnival is here to stay so stop moaning. The council do a fantastic job cleaning up afterwards.
Nothing hill was a predominantly black area until it was gentrified and so now you have the middle class people complaining

This! And if you don’t like it, don’t go. It’s not complex.

MyRedCrow · 03/09/2026 11:28

Someone had a poo in my neighbours basement area and there is graffiti all over the houses. For 24 hours people treat peoples homes in a way that would never normally be acceptable. It’s not right wing/ racist to not want someone to poo on your house

Backedoffhackedoff · 03/09/2026 12:31

MyRedCrow · 03/09/2026 11:28

Someone had a poo in my neighbours basement area and there is graffiti all over the houses. For 24 hours people treat peoples homes in a way that would never normally be acceptable. It’s not right wing/ racist to not want someone to poo on your house

The graffiti is put up on temporary hoarding 🤣 nooone graffiti’s the houses

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