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Wiseplumnet · 26/08/2026 16:00

AIBU to ask your opinion on 1st cousin marriage?.I have read that the government is looking to ban it. I know it is more prevelent ( but declining) in the UK among people of Asian origin. I am not coming from a judgemental or racist angle. I am just interested to know how mum'snetters of all ethnicities feel about marriage between 1st cousin's. I know it used to be more common in the west at one time, apart from keeping money/property in families, people travelled less widely, so there was less choice of marriage partners.I worked with a girl ( White British) who was in a secret relationship with her 1st cousin and they are very reluctant to tell their family, so there seems to be a cultural taboo in 1st cousins being romantically involved.Genetic factors resulting in disabilities (statistically twice as many as in unrelated parents) is sometimes given as a reason for banning cousin marriage, however we have genetic screening now, and disabilities aren't always serious.As so many babies died in infancy before we had vaccines, better health care etc , it was probably difficult to differentiate whether the close relationship between parents was the cause of any disabilities their children . Speaking for myself,I can't imagine wanting to marry any of the cousins I was brought up with as they seem more like brothers to me, but I could understand why someone may be attracted to a 1st cousin who they first met as adults. Or does it give you the instant 'Yuk' ? Also is banning 1st cousin marriage the same as banning 1st cousin sexual relationships and children, or would that become illegal? Maybe there's no need for a legal ban as the tradition will just die out over time

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Armorlux · 28/08/2026 17:30

ToWhitToWhoo · 28/08/2026 16:06

I don't see how this can be prevented, You can make marriage illegal, but not reproduction. Nearly half of British babies are born to unmarried parents. While this may be less common in the close communities where cousin marriage is more common, they could choose to have religious marriages without official state recognition.

In any case, a single cousin marriage isn't more risky than many other things that are not illegal, like advaned maternal age or drinking alcohol while pregnant. What is really risky is multiple generations of cousin marriages.

I'm no legal expert but I'm assuming that it would be added to the list of incestuous relationships already legislated against. So marriage and / or a sexual relationship between first cousins would be illegal. Just added to the list of existing defined incest.

I also assume it would only be illegal from the time it becomes law, so that first cousins in an existing marriage/ relationship would not be affected ie it would not be retrospective.

The message would land more effectively if there was a risk of prosecution,like or not like.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 17:41

5MinuteArgument · 28/08/2026 17:30

Yes, the world us full of contrarians.

The main thing for me, though, is what is our government doing about it? What is the NHS doing about it? Given that we know how costly it is and that it is likely to continue for many more years, are the government brave enough to tackle this?

There was a Tory private members bill a few months ago, but I can't see Labour doing anything apart from a bit of education. Another of their helpful leaflets, maybe?

I agree. The case for legislating against this is extremely clear. It’s rare to see such a clear case: usually introducing legislation involves a balancing of rights/ restrictions of liberty, harms/ benefits to different groups, but in this case there are only benefits and the restriction in liberty is negligible, the harms prevented immense.

It’s disgusting that legislation against this hasn’t been put in place decades ago when it was clear that education was not an effective solution because of the continued high occurrence. There is no rational, scientific or legal argument that justifies not immediately legislation to prohibit marriage between cousins and to add sex with a cousin to the definition of incest in law.

This will save thousands of children from suffering, pain, misery and early death. It will save thousands of women from abuse and coercion. And it will save taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds per year.

I guess the people who are really depressed about not being able to shag their cousin can be given counselling by the NHS, if we must pay for this, but it’ll certainly be much cheaper than paying for their poor children to have multiple operations, lifelong medication, social care, etc.

Our politicians past and present should hang their heads in shame for not doing anything about it. I presume that, as with all of their decisions, the reason they haven’t is because they think doing so will alienate a lot of the people in the incestuous communities from whom they want votes, or they are frightened of being accused of being racists, as has happened to some of the rational posters on this thread who stated that this should be illegal; it is a lack of moral backbone preventing the politicians from doing the morally right and well-evidenced thing that they should have done long ago.

The only way to counteract that is that if enough people email their MPs stating that they want this changed, so that they see the force of public opinion on it and realise they’ll lose more votes by not legislating against it than by keeping quiet, suddenly the politicians will have a “moral epiphany” and support the legislation to prohibit it.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 17:41

Armorlux · 28/08/2026 17:30

I'm no legal expert but I'm assuming that it would be added to the list of incestuous relationships already legislated against. So marriage and / or a sexual relationship between first cousins would be illegal. Just added to the list of existing defined incest.

I also assume it would only be illegal from the time it becomes law, so that first cousins in an existing marriage/ relationship would not be affected ie it would not be retrospective.

The message would land more effectively if there was a risk of prosecution,like or not like.

Exactly. Just as was said multiple times earlier in the thread.

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 17:42

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 17:15

You clearly haven’t read my comments, as you admit, otherwise you wouldn’t have written such a ridiculous response. I responded clearly earlier regarding the posts about haemophilia which are not relevant to the main topic of discussion in the thread about genetic compounding over generations while the parents (cousins) having these children believe they are “fine”, even despite being the children of cousins themselves, then go on to have children with with another similarly lucky cousin who also happened not to inherit double copies of the defective genes, and then apparently such people are shocked that their children are more likely to have genetic disabilities and pretend they don’t understand why, or it’s “the will of God”, or “the doctors made the children sick”, when it is clearly evidenced exactly why this is happening and it’s because they’re having children with close relatives and compounding genetic mutations and the likelihood of descendants inheriting double copies of multiple defective genes over each generation.

This has been explained multiple times very clearly, but as you admit, you haven’t bothered to read it.

Haemophillia is a red herring in this discussion because, unlike most genetic conditions, both parents can’t be unsymptomatic carriers and therefore completely unaware of the genes which they have a 1/8 chance of giving any child a double copy and therefore a disability that manifests, because the father would ALREADY be manifesting the condition. That is NOT the case for the vast, vast majority of genetic disorders which manifest not just in one sex but in BOTH sexes ONLY when the child inherits a defective gene from BOTH parents.

This is yet another a derailment that is irrelevant to the issue under discussion which is that two seemingly healthy parents can be carriers of unknown genetic disorders of which they’d only become aware once a child is born with it because they inherit faulty copies of genes from BOTH parents who were carriers, and that this is orders of magnitude more likely to occur if you marry a close relative. I have explained the maths and genetic outcomes multiple times.

You admit you haven’t read the thread before commenting, hence me having to repeat the basic facts that you should understand even based on GCSE biology but that I’ve also set out in multiple posts in this thread, as have other posters.

As for your pathetic personal attacks on me, why don’t you try complying with the Talk Guidelines rather than insulting people, if you actually have anything useful to contribute to the discussion rather than insulting other posters or misrepresenting their comments having even admitted that you’re too lazy to have bothered to read them first.

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Today, on your post at 11:11, when you were responding to someone who discussed Queen Victoria and haemophilia, and how Victoria would still have passed it on irrespective of who the father was you said "No: it would only manifest in the child if it received this gene from both parents..." In the case of haemophilia in males (as in Victoria's son Leopold) this is wrong.

Don't lecture me about basic genetics when you're getting this stuff wrong. I fully understand that haemophilia is a red herring in this discussion of birth defects in cousin relationships. I was was nevertheless pointing out that your "lifetimesagosplaining" was wrong.

BlueFahrenheit · 28/08/2026 17:44

Ban it.

Look at communities that embrace incest .... those poor children.

hotmumshit · 28/08/2026 17:47

Cant believe it hasnt been banned all this time 🤢

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 17:50

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 17:42

Today, on your post at 11:11, when you were responding to someone who discussed Queen Victoria and haemophilia, and how Victoria would still have passed it on irrespective of who the father was you said "No: it would only manifest in the child if it received this gene from both parents..." In the case of haemophilia in males (as in Victoria's son Leopold) this is wrong.

Don't lecture me about basic genetics when you're getting this stuff wrong. I fully understand that haemophilia is a red herring in this discussion of birth defects in cousin relationships. I was was nevertheless pointing out that your "lifetimesagosplaining" was wrong.

I was talking about the conditions being discussed in this thread. Explaining as I have in multiple other posts why haemophillia is a completely different case which is not relevant to the topic being discussed in this thread about genetic mutations compounding across generations before they manifest because haemophilia is one of the few genetic conditions that impacts ONLY people of one sex, so they only have to inherit ONE copy of the faulty gene to have it manifest if they are male. A couple cannot therefore pass it on unknowing that either of them have it. What part of this do you not understand?

This is NOT the case for the vast majority of genetic disorders and the ones that are compounding across generations from seemingly “healthy” parents (who may be carrying one defective copy of multiple genes, and are FAR more likely to be carriers of ONE copy of THE SAME defective gene as one of their relatives, compared to if they marry/ have children with someone unrelated who will doubtless carry single copies of other defective genes but are FAR LESS LIKELY TO CARRY THE EXACT SAME DEFECTIVE ONES AS THEIR CLOSE RELATIVES).

I’m really not sure how many more times of in how many more different ways this can be explained to you and others who refuse to accept these basic mathemetical and scientific facts.

RelaxAndDetox · 28/08/2026 17:54

BirdLandedonmyHead · 26/08/2026 16:18

The science around genegtics suggesgs its not a good idea. For that reason yes.

Socially... some people know their cousins. Some dont. Its no strangsr than marrying your childhood best friend in many ways.

My PILs are cousins. They found out at the wedding! (Estrangement between adults years earlier!)

Yes.

It's a bit yuk. Mainly though, genetics. There is an increased number of disabilieties in a particular ethnic background. Not acceptable since the impact of families, the children born, society in cost/healthcare/support etc. Should ban it along with FGM which is also disgusting.

RelaxAndDetox · 28/08/2026 17:57

Congenital abnormalities (CAs) cause stillbirths, infant deaths and many later life disabilities. Infant mortality rates from different communities reflect levels of such birth defects and are often used to compare populations and determine key risk factors. Understanding causation and the high risk groups is clearly worthwhile, with a view to future prevention. Sheridan and his multidisciplinary team present results from a birth cohort collected from 2007 to 2011 in which data from 11,396 mothers, participating in the Born in Bradford study, were linked with details of 386 congenital anomalies identified (and validated) in the same period. This meant that putative risk factors for congenital anomaly could be compared with minimal bias and that confounding variables could be analysed separately. For example, earlier studies, associating higher rates of birth defect with frequent cousin marriages in British Pakistani families, were difficult to interpret since the methodologies did not take account of levels of social deprivation in different groups. This study gets that right. The core finding is confirmation that consanguineous marriage is a major risk factor for CAs, even after adjustment for deprivation. Specifically, increasing deprivation alone was not associated with higher congenital anomaly rates; nor was obesity and other nutritional disorders. Non-consanguineous couples (of all ethnic groups) had a CA rate of 2.5% compared with a rate of 6.5% for first cousins, giving a multivariate risk ratio of 2.19 (confidence interval 1.67-2.85). However, in all ethnic groups studied, maternal education level (diploma level or above) was correlated with lower CA rates.

from 'Born in Bradford'
https://borninbradford.nhs.uk/our-impacts/publications/cousin-marriage-and-congenital-anomalies-in-a-multiethnic-birth-cohort/

Cousin marriage and congenital anomalies in a multiethnic birth cohort - Born in Bradford

https://borninbradford.nhs.uk/our-impacts/publications/cousin-marriage-and-congenital-anomalies-in-a-multiethnic-birth-cohort

zanahoria · 28/08/2026 18:00

hotmumshit · 28/08/2026 17:47

Cant believe it hasnt been banned all this time 🤢

The main reason that it was not banned by law is because there was little reason to do so as cases were isolated. It was briefly popular among aristocrats and other wealthy classes in the 19th century but by the 20rh century it accounted for less than 1% of marriages.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 18:00

RelaxAndDetox · 28/08/2026 17:57

Congenital abnormalities (CAs) cause stillbirths, infant deaths and many later life disabilities. Infant mortality rates from different communities reflect levels of such birth defects and are often used to compare populations and determine key risk factors. Understanding causation and the high risk groups is clearly worthwhile, with a view to future prevention. Sheridan and his multidisciplinary team present results from a birth cohort collected from 2007 to 2011 in which data from 11,396 mothers, participating in the Born in Bradford study, were linked with details of 386 congenital anomalies identified (and validated) in the same period. This meant that putative risk factors for congenital anomaly could be compared with minimal bias and that confounding variables could be analysed separately. For example, earlier studies, associating higher rates of birth defect with frequent cousin marriages in British Pakistani families, were difficult to interpret since the methodologies did not take account of levels of social deprivation in different groups. This study gets that right. The core finding is confirmation that consanguineous marriage is a major risk factor for CAs, even after adjustment for deprivation. Specifically, increasing deprivation alone was not associated with higher congenital anomaly rates; nor was obesity and other nutritional disorders. Non-consanguineous couples (of all ethnic groups) had a CA rate of 2.5% compared with a rate of 6.5% for first cousins, giving a multivariate risk ratio of 2.19 (confidence interval 1.67-2.85). However, in all ethnic groups studied, maternal education level (diploma level or above) was correlated with lower CA rates.

from 'Born in Bradford'
https://borninbradford.nhs.uk/our-impacts/publications/cousin-marriage-and-congenital-anomalies-in-a-multiethnic-birth-cohort/

Thank you.

The studies have been referenced repeatedly, the genetics and mathematics/ statistical risk and biology explained over and over again in the thread. Yet still there are those who refuse to accept scientific fact, or try to discredit those explaining it or providing the evidence, as you have also tried to do.

This is precisely why we need legislation: there are, sadly, too many people who refuse to be “educated” about it so the state needs to step in now to prevent further unnecessary harm to the greatest extent possible by criminalising this harmful behaviour.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 18:14

zanahoria · 28/08/2026 18:00

The main reason that it was not banned by law is because there was little reason to do so as cases were isolated. It was briefly popular among aristocrats and other wealthy classes in the 19th century but by the 20rh century it accounted for less than 1% of marriages.

Exactly. Due to naturally evolved aversion and social improvements it became rare so wasn’t necessary to legislate against. The fact it has become MORE common than 100 years ago demonstrates why it is now absolutely necessary to legislate against, particularly as other methods such as education and public health campaigns have failed to bring it back down even to the levels of occurrence on a per capita basis even before genetic inbreeding was proved to cause disease and disabilities. That fact alone is shocking. And then when you look at the distribution of it across the population it is clear that there are pockets of this in certain communities which is even more harmful than if this was widespread; socially, economically, and in terms of preventing abuse and harm.

There has never been a situation in the UK since modern recorded history began, even when most people lived in very small communities, where the level of inbreeding was as high as it is in some of the communities now deliberately practicing this in the UK, and there is no necessity for them to do so (e.g. they live in a farming community with no transport so only ever meet the few thousand people who live locally enough to be accessed by riding a horse).

The medieval worldview driving this abhorrent behaviour causes immense and unnecessary harm to children and is part of a pattern of behaviour which restricts women’s freedom, and wider society is paying a huge cost for it. It has no benefit to society or individuals at all. It’s obvious that we need to clamp down on it very hard, and stamp it out to the greatest extent possible.

Continuation of this being legal is not compatible with the principles of law of the UK, our social values, with science, with the imperative to protect children from easily avoidable and unnecessary harm, with the social contract of what taxpayers should pay to fund, with social cohesion and integration, with the protection of women from abuse, with anything of any value that most people in the UK hold in esteem and the very things that make this a good place to live, so it must be prohibited by law like all other behaviours that are so harmful they will undermine the above.

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 18:17

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 17:50

I was talking about the conditions being discussed in this thread. Explaining as I have in multiple other posts why haemophillia is a completely different case which is not relevant to the topic being discussed in this thread about genetic mutations compounding across generations before they manifest because haemophilia is one of the few genetic conditions that impacts ONLY people of one sex, so they only have to inherit ONE copy of the faulty gene to have it manifest if they are male. A couple cannot therefore pass it on unknowing that either of them have it. What part of this do you not understand?

This is NOT the case for the vast majority of genetic disorders and the ones that are compounding across generations from seemingly “healthy” parents (who may be carrying one defective copy of multiple genes, and are FAR more likely to be carriers of ONE copy of THE SAME defective gene as one of their relatives, compared to if they marry/ have children with someone unrelated who will doubtless carry single copies of other defective genes but are FAR LESS LIKELY TO CARRY THE EXACT SAME DEFECTIVE ONES AS THEIR CLOSE RELATIVES).

I’m really not sure how many more times of in how many more different ways this can be explained to you and others who refuse to accept these basic mathemetical and scientific facts.

Edited

Instead of length of post, you should focus on clarity. You may have meant "other genetic conditions, not haemophilia" but you didn't say that in your post at 11:11, which was directly on a thread discussing haemophilia.

As I said before, I have no need of a lecture on basic genetics from you.

Important as you think all of your contributions are, nobody is going to read the 1000s of words you've written over 35 pages, in order to pick up the things you might have said earlier.

zanahoria · 28/08/2026 18:20

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 18:14

Exactly. Due to naturally evolved aversion and social improvements it became rare so wasn’t necessary to legislate against. The fact it has become MORE common than 100 years ago demonstrates why it is now absolutely necessary to legislate against, particularly as other methods such as education and public health campaigns have failed to bring it back down even to the levels of occurrence on a per capita basis even before genetic inbreeding was proved to cause disease and disabilities. That fact alone is shocking. And then when you look at the distribution of it across the population it is clear that there are pockets of this in certain communities which is even more harmful than if this was widespread; socially, economically, and in terms of preventing abuse and harm.

There has never been a situation in the UK since modern recorded history began, even when most people lived in very small communities, where the level of inbreeding was as high as it is in some of the communities now deliberately practicing this in the UK, and there is no necessity for them to do so (e.g. they live in a farming community with no transport so only ever meet the few thousand people who live locally enough to be accessed by riding a horse).

The medieval worldview driving this abhorrent behaviour causes immense and unnecessary harm to children and is part of a pattern of behaviour which restricts women’s freedom, and wider society is paying a huge cost for it. It has no benefit to society or individuals at all. It’s obvious that we need to clamp down on it very hard, and stamp it out to the greatest extent possible.

Continuation of this being legal is not compatible with the principles of law of the UK, our social values, with science, with the imperative to protect children from easily avoidable and unnecessary harm, with the social contract of what taxpayers should pay to fund, with social cohesion and integration, with the protection of women from abuse, with anything of any value that most people in the UK hold in esteem and the very things that make this a good place to live, so it must be prohibited by law like all other behaviours that are so harmful they will undermine the above.

It is not even a medieval worldview.

Cousin marriage was frowned upon and banned in medieval times

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 18:38

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 18:17

Instead of length of post, you should focus on clarity. You may have meant "other genetic conditions, not haemophilia" but you didn't say that in your post at 11:11, which was directly on a thread discussing haemophilia.

As I said before, I have no need of a lecture on basic genetics from you.

Important as you think all of your contributions are, nobody is going to read the 1000s of words you've written over 35 pages, in order to pick up the things you might have said earlier.

Clearly you do need “a lecture on genetics” if you didn’t understand my perfectly clear poste about it and have misunderstood them as significantly as your response to me implied. If you now accept that what I have said was correct, in my multiple posts both before and after you sent me these silly comments and personal insults, then apologise, because it’s evident to anybody who actually had read my comments on the thread that your silly responses to me were a complete misrepresentation of what I have stated, repeatedly.

As for you trying to pretend I don’t understand science when I’ve spent most of this thread correcting posts from people who don’t understand it, and you’ve already admitted that you didn’t even bother to read my posts before sending these accusations and personal insults to me, you are just making yourself look ridiculous, frankly.

Yet more attempts to try to discredit people who actually know what they’re talking about: the usual tactic employed by people who have no rational or scientific counterargument.

If you actually have anything of worth to add to the scientific and legal discussions on the thread then please go ahead. If all you are capable of is making personal attacks on other posters and trying to misrepresent their posts out of context then please stop wasting the time of those of us trying to have a transparent discussion about this topic based on science and fact.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 19:09

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 18:17

Instead of length of post, you should focus on clarity. You may have meant "other genetic conditions, not haemophilia" but you didn't say that in your post at 11:11, which was directly on a thread discussing haemophilia.

As I said before, I have no need of a lecture on basic genetics from you.

Important as you think all of your contributions are, nobody is going to read the 1000s of words you've written over 35 pages, in order to pick up the things you might have said earlier.

It’s also not other people’s problem if you are too lazy to read a few paragraphs of text. Other people aren’t, including just about anybodyha who knows anything worth knowing in any field because - surprising as it may be to you - you actually have to read significant amounts to learn about anything and understand it in detail. It’s always a telling sign of people who are either chronically lazy or barely literate or have no detailed knowledge of a subject if they object to others writing anything a few paragraphs long about it.

Nobody is forcing you to engage in this discussion.

Having a meaningful discussion often involves reading things several paragraphs long, not just pithy soundbites of a couple of sentences, at best.

If you don’t wish to read that amount of text you’ll never know much about anything. That’s your choice. Criticising others, however, for engaging in meaningful discussion and actually writing worthwhile posts with detail in them is absurd and just makes you look ridiculous and ignorant, especially when you try to “criticise” an isolated comment out of context, ignoring everything else the other person has said, and then attempt to repeat back to them the same points they’ve already made as though you think you are “educating” them, having admitted already that you didn’t even bother to read what they wrote first!

Why bother to reply at all if you haven’t read what you’re responding to? Nobody’s forcing you to engage in the thread or to read what other posters have written but at least have the courtesy not to respond to people trying to dispute what they’ve said when you admit you haven’t read it.

🤔🙄😂

81Claire81 · 28/08/2026 19:29

It is genuinely worrying how many people on that thread only think this is wrong because of the genetic problems, completely failing to acknowledge the "ick factor." It's proper creepy!!

Expecting humans to avoid mating with close family is not an unreasonable standard, it is basic biology. You would expect a Jack Russell terrier to mate with its cousin, but human beings are supposed to know better. People should not even have these creepy desires in the first place, and it is baffling that some wronguns try to brush off that reaction as if it is normal.

That immediate turn off is not just an arbitrary feeling, science actually has a name for it: the Westermarck effect. Evolutionary biologists have shown that humans naturally develop a psychological aversion to people they grow up around or share close genetic markers with. It is nature's hardwired defence mechanism, evolved specifically to protect our species from the severe genetic degradation caused by inbreeding. The instinctual disgust people feel is literally evolutionary biology doing its job.

Yet, relying on natural taboos alone clearly is not working when coercive family structures push people into these unions anyway. For young women especially, saying no to a cousin often means standing up to an entire extended family network at once. The pressure to retain property, satisfy elders, or secure visas turns consent into an illusion, leaving women isolated under the thumb of in laws who double as blood relatives. When basic boundaries and social norms are ignored by wronguns, the law must step in to protect vulnerable individuals from coercive pressure.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 19:34

81Claire81 · 28/08/2026 19:29

It is genuinely worrying how many people on that thread only think this is wrong because of the genetic problems, completely failing to acknowledge the "ick factor." It's proper creepy!!

Expecting humans to avoid mating with close family is not an unreasonable standard, it is basic biology. You would expect a Jack Russell terrier to mate with its cousin, but human beings are supposed to know better. People should not even have these creepy desires in the first place, and it is baffling that some wronguns try to brush off that reaction as if it is normal.

That immediate turn off is not just an arbitrary feeling, science actually has a name for it: the Westermarck effect. Evolutionary biologists have shown that humans naturally develop a psychological aversion to people they grow up around or share close genetic markers with. It is nature's hardwired defence mechanism, evolved specifically to protect our species from the severe genetic degradation caused by inbreeding. The instinctual disgust people feel is literally evolutionary biology doing its job.

Yet, relying on natural taboos alone clearly is not working when coercive family structures push people into these unions anyway. For young women especially, saying no to a cousin often means standing up to an entire extended family network at once. The pressure to retain property, satisfy elders, or secure visas turns consent into an illusion, leaving women isolated under the thumb of in laws who double as blood relatives. When basic boundaries and social norms are ignored by wronguns, the law must step in to protect vulnerable individuals from coercive pressure.

Exactly. Biological evolution has provided us with these natural aversions and “disgust” mechanisms precisely to prevent illness and disease as I said earlier in the thread, just as we have revulsion to rotting flesh, mould or other potentially harmful things. The “ick” is not a product of society (although a decent society should reinforce this with social values); it is innate for very good evolutionary reasons.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 28/08/2026 20:18

BirdLandedonmyHead · 26/08/2026 16:18

The science around genegtics suggesgs its not a good idea. For that reason yes.

Socially... some people know their cousins. Some dont. Its no strangsr than marrying your childhood best friend in many ways.

My PILs are cousins. They found out at the wedding! (Estrangement between adults years earlier!)

Its only a problem if done repeatedly. Its fine, as long as your parents weren't also first cousins, or you weren't double first cousins.

HRTQueen · 28/08/2026 20:20

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 18:00

Thank you.

The studies have been referenced repeatedly, the genetics and mathematics/ statistical risk and biology explained over and over again in the thread. Yet still there are those who refuse to accept scientific fact, or try to discredit those explaining it or providing the evidence, as you have also tried to do.

This is precisely why we need legislation: there are, sadly, too many people who refuse to be “educated” about it so the state needs to step in now to prevent further unnecessary harm to the greatest extent possible by criminalising this harmful behaviour.

I agree that many people don’t want to be educated they will see it as western ways infiltrating their core values

some people just like to argue

then there are the handwringing liberals who will overlook such unnecessary suffering because they see certain groups as being victimised and need their support and others to see that are supporting them regardless of the issue

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 20:25

HRTQueen · 28/08/2026 20:20

I agree that many people don’t want to be educated they will see it as western ways infiltrating their core values

some people just like to argue

then there are the handwringing liberals who will overlook such unnecessary suffering because they see certain groups as being victimised and need their support and others to see that are supporting them regardless of the issue

Absolutely.

And all three groups of people should be ignored.

Public policy should be evidence based.

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 20:29

zanahoria · 28/08/2026 18:20

It is not even a medieval worldview.

Cousin marriage was frowned upon and banned in medieval times

I guess it depends which medieval society you look at. Which partially explains the problem we’re having in the UK now.

HRTQueen · 28/08/2026 20:36

LifetimesAgo · 28/08/2026 20:25

Absolutely.

And all three groups of people should be ignored.

Public policy should be evidence based.

I absolutely agree

your posts have been very informative thank you

bafta16 · 28/08/2026 20:36

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 17:23

The risk of birth defects in the offspring of a one-off cousin relationship, where both parents have no known genetic disorders, is actually about the same as the risk in babies born to mothers aged 35 and older. Nobody is saying having a baby after the age of 34 should be made a criminal offence.

There is absolutely no doubt that repeated cousin marriage, moving down through the generations, is the cause of genetic disorders. It's tragic, and communities which do this culturally should absolutely be educated about it, discouraged in the strongest terms etc.

I do not think sexual relationships or marriage between consenting cousins should be made illegal though. I know a married couple who are first cousins, with two kids (healthy). No family history of cousin marriage, a one-off. They're just ordinary people, living ordinary lives and contributing to society. Why should this scenario be criminalised?

Do you have anything to back up these assertions please?

RafaFan · 28/08/2026 21:07

bafta16 · 28/08/2026 20:36

Do you have anything to back up these assertions please?

When parents are related - Consanguinity from a government of New South Wales page for the cousin risk.
Congenital anomalies and maternal age: A systematic review and meta‐analysis of observational studies - PMC from a peer-reviewed journal article.
I have not done a full search of the literature, but these are reputable sources. For the maternal age risk.

When parents are related - Consanguinity

https://www.genetics.edu.au/SitePages/When-parents-are-related-consanguinity.aspx

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