To wish my DD's Girls Grammar School did not admit boys to the Sixth Form

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My DD1 has just collected her GCSE's from her school which is an Essex girls Grammar with high standards. DD1 has done very well and 'likes' single sex teaching (if she wanted to learn with boys she would got to the Boys Grammar for Sixth Form). However, like most Grammar Schools whether Boys or Girls they are Co -Ed or in my DD's School partially with around 30 Boys in both Year 12 and 13. I know this seems to be the fashion that Girls Schools which really should be single sex all through are admitting boys these days into year 12. I guess it is probably due to funding though personally I would prefer single sex availability for girls with the Boys Grammars offering the Co=Ed experience if wanted.

Sorry were boys with SEN favoured over girls with SEN
or do a higher proportion of the boys have SEN

If you want her to have a skewed view of life and the opposite sex, then keep it up. Her only options for meeting someone will be online because she won't be able to hold a conversation, which will lead to bad hookups and a warped view of relationships.

These days I'd say it's more important than ever to mix as soon as possible.

It will be fine. My son went to a boys' school which changed to admitting girls in the sixth. e is now almost 47 and is still friends with girls he knew from that time, as well as men.

If she really cannot face it, find somewhere else but there are not many single sex sixth forms nowadays. She does need to get used to being with the opposite sex on an equal basis, this will ease her in to higher education and work.

Seriously get over yourself 🤣 you want the boys school to deal with this and not the girls! I’m sure there as many boy parent who don’t want girls ‘disrupting’ the boys as girl parents not wanting the reverse.
dont like it - find a single sex 6th form!
they don’t exist - your problem not everyone else’s!
(a parent either child in single sex school who will be lived at 6th form and is just dealing with it! )

My friend's DD attends a private girls school, no boys even in sixth form. She's just finished year 11 and the vast majority of the year group (including my friend's DD) are voting with their feet and leaving to go to mixed sixth forms. Most girls want to be at a mixed sex school by that age.

Not sure why people are angry about this. I went to an all girls school and it's not like I didn't ever see boys. I personally did find them distracting and being in an all girls classroom to learn was better for me. I adapted to UNI just fine.

No!! I actually googled this and it came up with the original/ proper saying.

Why would it be the boys school that has to become co-ed. I imagine you’d be raging if the boys school became single sex and girls became co-ed. You are being unreasonable as you just want something that suits you and don’t care about what’s fair to others.

I really don’t know where you’re getting these ideas from. I really think thinking that drinking each others cum and wee being part of rugby culture needs its own thread. Please start one. 😂
Rugby referees can advance penalty marks for poor behaviour or backtalk on pitch. The crowds are more respectful/ friendly when watching compared to football. Cheating is not rife, no more common than it is in football. Footballers deliberately hurt each other sometimes, even professionally.

I know lots of teens professionally through work… generally the rugby lot are more respectful towards others and more studious than the football lot. I also know adults through personal life…. Again the saying is true I’ve found.

It’s a saying for a reason! Anyway, point being is that I’d be far more concerned about football lot being in a girls school than rugby. But all the same, I think they should just admit more girls if they need more numbers.

I went to a girl's grammar school which was single sex all the way to 18. I don't know anyone from school who was unable to function around males after they'd finished sixth form!

My dd is at an all girls about to start gcses. No 6th form. So will be moving to a co Ed. No issues from me, she wont be shielded from men forever and will need to study and work alongside them especially at university should she want to. Or are we suggesting single sex unis?

Schools not sixth forms or college's

Agreed. Also, that report is written by an organisation that exists to sell private girls’ schools!

Our girls grammar lost loads of strong Alevel candidates when they switched to the boys school who have always let in girls at sixth form. Money, results and being able to run Alevel courses are what schools base decisions on,not what redange prefers for her child. It’s a silly op as it’s neither here nor there what the op prefers.

Or they are ‘lads’ who want to hang around with lots of girls and have less competition from too many boys!

This will be great practice for the real world where men and women mix all of the time, often with little drama. A Levels are totally different to year 11, everyone has chosen to be there.

Me too, though long ago. Being in a mixed 6th form was one of the highlights of my youth. I loathed my grammar school by the end and felt I'd entered the real world at last. The only boys I'd really knew prior to that were my younger brother's nerdy friends. I had a blast in 6th form and it wasn't all about the boys- it was a sense of mixing with a good variety of people and growing up.

You’ve clearly never been on a rugby tour! Hopefully it’s dying out now more women are involved in the sport. Bit like football really.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said about rugby. I just don’t understand why I have heard that fascinating lecture about the superiority of rugby, almost word for word from so many rugby people over the years. It’s like you learn it by rote. It arrives unbidden in my ears so many times when I say I’m a football fan, usually with the tag line “they are laws, not rules”. God it’s tedious. And snobby in most cases.

This is my experience for my DD at a mixed sex 6th form. She has been put off doing Maths at university, maybe because of the competitive nature of her maths class from the boys, I'm not totally sure.

The girls are all very supportive of each other but I get the impression that the boys are always sneering and crowing if the girls get something wrong. I think the teachers should be dealing with this, but I guess I'm just leaving her to find ways to manage it, like you would in the workplace. Maybe a maths degree isn't for her if it's like that at uni. It's definitely developed a very strong feminist streak in her!

I think you're getting a hard time on here, you obviously don't want her segregated for the rest of her life but a mixed 6th form isn't 100% positive in my experience.

You are not unreasonable for "wishing" anything, you are however also being unrealistic - the short answer is that they will need a mixed sixth form to make the pupil numbers sustainable in some subjects.
Also it may be better for your daughter to get used to boys/young men in an educational environment at this point rather than on day one at university when you're not there to helicopter over her...

I completely agree. Girls do better in a single sex school environment and for many it is a welcome refuge from male attention.

Sorry but what about boys that feel like your daughter why should boys who prefer to be taught in a single sex environment be forced to have girls in their sixth form while the girls school remain single sex. How is you daughter going to prepare for moving onto university or work in mixed environment if she does not start to mix at 16. This is all part of her development.

Or a school can't offer certain subjects without enough students taking those subjects. My DD did FM M and physics in a mixed sixth form, she might not have had that opportunity if it wasn't mixed. It goes for other subjects as well.

Do you think they'd have been able to function round around boys in sixth form? If not what happens between 16 and 18.

In 2 years your DD will be at university, obviously a co-ed environment. Likely sharing a halls flat with lads her own age. It’s important that she have to chance to be exposed to eating, socialising through ECAs and studying along side them, and doing group/project work with them, now otherwise it could hold her back at uni.

Mush better to adjust to them and get over any reservations she may have now. In terms of the learning environment, the benefits of a single-sex education are really about the pre-16 learning environment as cognitively etc, boys and girls are largely in the same space by now so there is no detriment to her to have a few boys in her classes (assuming she is taking A level subjects that attract boys anyway).