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To wish my DD's Girls Grammar School did not admit boys to the Sixth Form

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redange · Today 10:17

My DD1 has just collected her GCSE's from her school which is an Essex girls Grammar with high standards. DD1 has done very well and 'likes' single sex teaching (if she wanted to learn with boys she would got to the Boys Grammar for Sixth Form). However, like most Grammar Schools whether Boys or Girls they are Co -Ed or in my DD's School partially with around 30 Boys in both Year 12 and 13. I know this seems to be the fashion that Girls Schools which really should be single sex all through are admitting boys these days into year 12. I guess it is probably due to funding though personally I would prefer single sex availability for girls with the Boys Grammars offering the Co=Ed experience if wanted.

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WildGarlicSoup · Today 15:16

And for how much longer would you like all males to be removed from within a mile radius around your daughter?

Kaybee50 · Today 15:43

Both of my kids go to single sex grammars (both are co-ed for 6th form) They are in the same city.
My son’s 6th form is way more popular - I think the boys tend to stay there and lots of girls move there. My daughter’s 6th form has a very small number of boys attend and is much smaller!

Batsratscatsgnats · Today 15:59

So you think that the boys school should ahve to admit girls but the girls should NOT have to admit boys? Why? Why should girls get more A level options than boys?

Artesia · Today 16:03

redange · Today 13:32

I am not concerned I just would like the more traditional idea of Girls Grammar Schools being just that and Boys Grammars being the de- facto choice for co-ed education at 6th form. I wonder if some girls schools have allowed boys to enter at sixth form stop what a little drift towards girls leaving for the boys school. The girls schools should have enough faith in what they have to other not to have to compete. If a girl wants a co-ed education then let them go to one offering that.

The two Essex Grammars offering single sex girls sixth form are Chelmsford and Colchester so that 'leaves' my two girls Grammar as either WHSG or SHSG ! Both actually still require Girls in 6th form to wear 'proper' uniform and are similar in numbers of boys admitted.

But why? You don't seem able to articulate what your actual issue is

RedToothBrush · Today 16:03

GCSEs filter out the disruptive boys.

Better results for girls for single sex is down to issues with these particular kids.

A sixth form at an otherwise all girls school will filter out even more boys who have issues with girls.

She is going to have to be educated with boys at uni if that her direction.

I don't understand the problem here.

TheLarkAscendingRose · Today 16:09

redange · Today 13:32

I am not concerned I just would like the more traditional idea of Girls Grammar Schools being just that and Boys Grammars being the de- facto choice for co-ed education at 6th form. I wonder if some girls schools have allowed boys to enter at sixth form stop what a little drift towards girls leaving for the boys school. The girls schools should have enough faith in what they have to other not to have to compete. If a girl wants a co-ed education then let them go to one offering that.

The two Essex Grammars offering single sex girls sixth form are Chelmsford and Colchester so that 'leaves' my two girls Grammar as either WHSG or SHSG ! Both actually still require Girls in 6th form to wear 'proper' uniform and are similar in numbers of boys admitted.

I don't think the locals would be happy if there were more grammar sixth form places available for girls than boys. Which would happen if the girls' schools stayed single sex and boys' schools went co ed at sixth form. Plus the boys would need to be brighter to get in.

sittingonabeach · Today 16:15

I live in an area where school sixth forms are disappearing fast as can’t compete with sixth form colleges and they are running at deficits. I assume funding is behind the decision

Iloveeverycat · Today 16:20

WildGarlicSoup · Today 15:16

And for how much longer would you like all males to be removed from within a mile radius around your daughter?

This, it seems a really odd thing to be worried about. What about when she goes to work.

pistachioicecream · Today 17:13

It's not about fear of boys, or keeping girls away from boys, it's about giving girls the best environment to be able to achieve their full potential academically. There's plenty of research to suggest girls do better in girls schools in many different ways.

Why (and how) girls thrive in girls-only schools | GDST

Why (and how) girls thrive in girls-only schools | GDST

Why (and how) girls thrive in girls-only schools according to the GDST's Director of Innovation & Learning.

https://www.gdst.net/publications/why-and-how-girls-thrive-in-girls-only-schools/

Ozgirl76 · Today 17:36

Honestly I think if a girl is unable to do her educational best at school just because there are boys about, that is an issue with the girl.
It seems rather old fashioned, the idea that girls need to be kept away from the influence of boys because they’re too soft to deal with it. I think 6th form is an excellent time to launch into the real world where she’ll find that boys as well as girls are capable and hard working.

TheignT · Today 18:24

redange · Today 13:32

I am not concerned I just would like the more traditional idea of Girls Grammar Schools being just that and Boys Grammars being the de- facto choice for co-ed education at 6th form. I wonder if some girls schools have allowed boys to enter at sixth form stop what a little drift towards girls leaving for the boys school. The girls schools should have enough faith in what they have to other not to have to compete. If a girl wants a co-ed education then let them go to one offering that.

The two Essex Grammars offering single sex girls sixth form are Chelmsford and Colchester so that 'leaves' my two girls Grammar as either WHSG or SHSG ! Both actually still require Girls in 6th form to wear 'proper' uniform and are similar in numbers of boys admitted.

I still don't understand why you think it's ok for boys sixth forms to take girls but not the other way round. What would your argument be if I said I was unhappy that my son's boys grammar school took girls in the sixth form. It did but I didn't see the issue but I might have.

Mathair · Today 19:40

JuliettaCaeser · Today 10:28

Also the sort of boys who are happy to go to the girls school 6th form are usually the nice ones. The misogynistic rugby lads won’t want to go there anyway.

I wish this was the case. Unfortunately that type also go to girls' grammar school if they get the points.

Ozgirl76 · Today 19:51

Well in life she might end up working with awful men (or women!) and school is a good time to learn strategies to deal with that

Deneke · Today 19:53

I teach in a school which is heading in that direction too. It is a very strong trend amongst girls' schools at the moment. The way it goes is...
Parents of teen boys are worried about the all male atmosphere in boys schools and fear toxic masculinity and the manosphere, so consider taking their teen boys out of the all boys schools after GCSEs to mitigate against it.
The boys schools react by admitting girls into their sixth form to encourage the parents of their male pupils that they don't need to leave to escape the all male environment.
The girls schools lose pupils to to boys school and need to make the numbers back up again as funding is per pupil.
So girls schools start to admit boys to their sixth form to double the number of target recruits to get enough bums on seats to stay financially viable.

Biggles27 · Today 19:54

Dd was single sex from nursery to year 11. Co-ed sixth form. Loved it as it curbed some of the less favourable behaviour of some of the girls!

Plus I’m not aware that Uni is anything other than co-ed! I’ll stand corrected if that’s not the case. You can get single sex accommodation but classes are mixed

Smoggy1 · Today 19:54

PringlesAre4Life · Today 10:50

I’d be more concerned about the football ‘lads’ than rugby if we’re going to stereotype!!!

But yes, I agree OP. I think it would be better if they admitted more girls into the sixth form to increase numbers.

My dad always said that rugby is a hooligan's game played by gentlemen and football is a gentleman's game played by hooligans. He did play rugby though, so I suspect there might be some bias there...

Castolaya · Today 19:58

I live in Ireland we still have a lot of single sex schools here for secondary.

I think particularly by 16 (ish) they are actually quite unhealthy environments because segregation means some teenagers may have zero experience of the opposite sex going to university.

I did a course that was utterly male dominated and some of them thought I was going to bite them as soon as speak to them - they had never before encountered a same age female … and I only actually bit a select few.

whiteroseredrose · Today 19:59

mishgs · Today 10:26

Then she may find working alongside boys/men at university and in the workplace a bit tricky…..

This old chestnut.

Single sex education hasn’t had that effect on DD. She has made several close male friends at university and after.

Happyjoe · Today 20:21

TheignT · Today 10:26

I was at a girls grammar in the 60s and sixth form was merged with the boys school for sixth form. It isn't new. It gave more choices for A levels.

Yep, been like this for years. I think it's healthy tbh.

emziecy · Today 20:22

redange · Today 10:34

Its not that I am particularly worried about the social aspect, I just wish the opportunity to continue in a Single Sex educational environment was an option. DD1 has many male friends though Hockey and outside interests and does not necessary need or want them in a classroom environment. I also appreciate that funding is probably the greatest driver in the direction of either full Co Ed or partially CO ED Sixth Forms. Though, girls are better for boys than the other way round..

I'm really struggling to understand what the problem is? I assume you have no sons?

LlynTegid · Today 20:24

I think that this is inevitable in many cases, to be able to offer the range of subjects that a good sixth form can offer.

UhOhRatPoo · Today 20:27

What exactly will the male pupils be doing that will diminish the quality of “the classroom environment”? And why will this behaviour be unique to males and common to all males?

Do you really mean that you are worried about crushes etc distracting your daughter from her work?

UhOhRatPoo · Today 20:31

Imagine an employer that openly stated they had concerns about one sex or the other being “in the workplace environment”. They’s be rightly hauled up in front of a tribunal.

People are people OP. I can think of several girls that I would rather not have had in my “classroom environment”.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · Today 20:33

PringlesAre4Life · Today 11:17

I feel like this is de-railing the thread but as the old saying goes, Rugby is a hooligan’s game played by gentlemen, and football is a gentleman’s game played by hooligans. I’ve always found it to be generally pretty accurate!!
Edited to add: Drinking each others piss or cum is certainly not in the culture of rugby. I think this might need its own thread. 😂

Edited

Isn’t the saying rugby is played by hooligans watched by gentlemen and football is played by gentlemen but watched by hooligans.

Castolaya · Today 20:36

“Rugby is a hooligans’ game played by gentlemen; football is a gentlemen’s game played by hooligans.”