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AIBU to wonder whether ADHD is normal and society is the issue

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LadyBeatriceBeaHiggins · 31/07/2026 13:47

No offence intended

Discussing about Adhd with a friend who has Adhd and we wondered what if Adhd is naturally a part of being human and its the way society trys to make humans into machines that is the problem ?

so figured id open up our debate for fellow mumsnetters

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Theworldsgonemadagain · 03/08/2026 19:05

I don't know what you mean by society as in what time frame? My younger brother was diagnosed 30 years ago as an 8 year old. It wasn't very common back then. It's a lack of dopamine essentially. To be honest he was a fucking nightmare to live with. I don't think it's just a kid being naughty or a personality issue it was more like a mental illness, I know it's not described as that though. In his experience he could not sleep, not focus, was violent, impulsive, did dangerous things, got involved in crime and drugs which is common with boys with adhd. He is still like it now, a little bit less of the impulsive as he's a dad now and has to try and control it more but he's still bloody hyper. I don't really know the answer your looking for here. It's not a new thing but there seems to be a lot of kids diagnosed with it now. Maybe the criteria has changed I'm not sure. I imagine there are levels like with autism, some kids more severe than others but I'm not an expert.

Theworldsgonemadagain · 03/08/2026 19:16

Sorry it won't let me edit my post to add but I've read some of the other responses.

It is interesting to think about adhd in the olden Times. My brother could never sit still at school and struggled with any kind of authority. I agree the way our education system is set up is definitely not suitable for kids with Adhd (or even most kids to be honest) but my brother could sit for hours fishing which I've never quite understood. In Times gone by his skills would have been pretty good as a hunter gatherer and his aggression could have been used to good effect that way. So interesting thread, perhaps thier mindsets were better utilised in the old times but aren't so adapted to today's sedentary, have it all now life.

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:17

BertieBotts · 03/08/2026 18:27

It's not a quandary at all, because ADHD is a lot more than just "not that good concentration and feeling overwhelmed" 🙄

You might as well call OCD "worrying about having left the iron on"

well it is when we consider that life changes can worsen the condition. A woman with mild traits who’s developed loads of over compensatory habits could completely fall apart during menopause. Or when having children. This is what Dr Helen Wall has been saying. Coping strategies that were normalised and worked suddenly don’t. Did that individual have adhd previously ? The DSM was different when they were at school - as was school itself.

I would NOT have coped at school if it was like it was today. I’d have either been a school refuser or diagnosed with something.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 19:17

Theworldsgonemadagain · 03/08/2026 19:05

I don't know what you mean by society as in what time frame? My younger brother was diagnosed 30 years ago as an 8 year old. It wasn't very common back then. It's a lack of dopamine essentially. To be honest he was a fucking nightmare to live with. I don't think it's just a kid being naughty or a personality issue it was more like a mental illness, I know it's not described as that though. In his experience he could not sleep, not focus, was violent, impulsive, did dangerous things, got involved in crime and drugs which is common with boys with adhd. He is still like it now, a little bit less of the impulsive as he's a dad now and has to try and control it more but he's still bloody hyper. I don't really know the answer your looking for here. It's not a new thing but there seems to be a lot of kids diagnosed with it now. Maybe the criteria has changed I'm not sure. I imagine there are levels like with autism, some kids more severe than others but I'm not an expert.

There aren’t loads of kids with it now, it’s under diagnosed. What has happened is the other 50% of the country previously shut out of the diagnosis process are being diagnosed. Apparantly that’s not ok and we now need to question if it’s real or even that bad. Medical misogyny strikes again!

OneAmberFinch · 03/08/2026 19:19

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 18:59

You’re the one saying it can be dealt with by lifestyle choices!

For many people it certainly can be, and I know many people, myself included, who've almost had breakdowns in the wrong base environment (e.g. job, relationship, living situation) but who can muddle along perfectly well when the base environment is a good fit.

I'm not the one being flippant about "lifestyle changes" as just meaning adding a few probiotics or whatever. The example is getting deployed with the military!

There are going to be people who are far enough outside the norm that there isn't any easily accessible environment that will suit - but they are a minority of the people identifying as ADHD in 2026. And will include people who have never even dreamed the word ADHD.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 19:20

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:17

well it is when we consider that life changes can worsen the condition. A woman with mild traits who’s developed loads of over compensatory habits could completely fall apart during menopause. Or when having children. This is what Dr Helen Wall has been saying. Coping strategies that were normalised and worked suddenly don’t. Did that individual have adhd previously ? The DSM was different when they were at school - as was school itself.

I would NOT have coped at school if it was like it was today. I’d have either been a school refuser or diagnosed with something.

Wow here we go again!!!😱Women just aren’t allowed to have it are they. It’s just those pesky hormones they need to get on with.

I was diagnosed at 56 and had it from birth. It is nothing to do with menopause and hormones. I’m through the other side of menopause and trust me my adhd was the same when I was at school
in the 70s, during the 80s, uni in the 90s, childbirth, menopause and after!

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:21

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 18:35

How patronising. Do you not get that the vast majority have tried everything and a diagnosis and resulting meds are life changing. It can stop suicidal idealisation, dangerous self medication,a destroyed education, risky and impulsive behaviour which are all part and parcel of ADHD. It is so dangerous to lecture to struggling parents and sufferers suggesting that an organic diet and zero phone life will magically make it all away. Most of us have tried everything or didn’t even grow up with either. Many young people under MH services induced by ADHD need swift diagnosis and medication not do gooders who have no idea of the the reality that is ADHD telling us how to parent. Children and adults are waiting far too long for diagnosis and medication as it is hence diagnosis levels being so low in the uk.

This is why the discussion is SO hard.

I get all of this too. My niece grew up with lovely home cooked food, whilst not hugely well off, a home life with loads of opportunities for sports and the arts . No screens till she was in her teens (but interestingly wasn’t bothered, which I’ve seen in a few children with very challenging adhd) but really started struggling during gcse and alevels. Received diagnosis quickly during alevels and medication really helped. Now she’s at university an depends completely on her adhd medication. She doesn’t have any risky behaviour. This is a more common female presentation.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 19:22

OneAmberFinch · 03/08/2026 19:19

For many people it certainly can be, and I know many people, myself included, who've almost had breakdowns in the wrong base environment (e.g. job, relationship, living situation) but who can muddle along perfectly well when the base environment is a good fit.

I'm not the one being flippant about "lifestyle changes" as just meaning adding a few probiotics or whatever. The example is getting deployed with the military!

There are going to be people who are far enough outside the norm that there isn't any easily accessible environment that will suit - but they are a minority of the people identifying as ADHD in 2026. And will include people who have never even dreamed the word ADHD.

What are you talking about? You’re talking nonsense.

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:22

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 19:20

Wow here we go again!!!😱Women just aren’t allowed to have it are they. It’s just those pesky hormones they need to get on with.

I was diagnosed at 56 and had it from birth. It is nothing to do with menopause and hormones. I’m through the other side of menopause and trust me my adhd was the same when I was at school
in the 70s, during the 80s, uni in the 90s, childbirth, menopause and after!

Hey - not me saying this. I have Dr Helen Wall’s book. About adhd in women.

This is the quandary I’m trying to describe.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 19:23

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:21

This is why the discussion is SO hard.

I get all of this too. My niece grew up with lovely home cooked food, whilst not hugely well off, a home life with loads of opportunities for sports and the arts . No screens till she was in her teens (but interestingly wasn’t bothered, which I’ve seen in a few children with very challenging adhd) but really started struggling during gcse and alevels. Received diagnosis quickly during alevels and medication really helped. Now she’s at university an depends completely on her adhd medication. She doesn’t have any risky behaviour. This is a more common female presentation.

No many women and girls with adhd have risky behaviour, impulsivity, suicidal idealisation, self harm etc.

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:34

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 19:23

No many women and girls with adhd have risky behaviour, impulsivity, suicidal idealisation, self harm etc.

Yes agree that it’s more internal. Also OCD

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:38

Coming back to this line: particularly where environmental supports materially alter presentation.”

@scrollingleaves

From this paragraph:

Need and diagnosis are not the same thing

A further implication is that current systems may rely too heavily on diagnosis as the principal organising mechanism for support. Diagnosis can provide validation, guide clinical decision-making and be necessary for certain forms of treatment. However, it is not always a reliable proxy for immediate need. Individuals may experience substantial functional difficulty without meeting diagnostic thresholds, while those sharing the same diagnosis may differ significantly in their level of impairment and support requirement.

The heated discussion on this thread illustrates the difficulty in how we refer to ADHD- what it means in reality day to day for the individual. Impairment can be variable. In the past, adhd was defined as a condition children did grow out of. And must be present from early on. However, education settings have changed considerably over the last 40 years. And educational setting vary within the U.K. as well as across the world.

In relation to autism there is strong emphasis on functioning, masking and contextual impairment which suggests that diagnosis alone may be an insufficient guide to support need in neurodiversity, particularly where environmental supports materially alter presentation.

Home and school environments can impact how well a child functions which can alter severity of presentation.

This suggests a need for greater clarity in how impairment and support requirements are described alongside diagnosis. Diagnostic thresholds should remain clinically coherent, but support is more likely to be proportionate and effective where functioning, participation and environmental barriers are assessed more explicitly and systematically. Approaches informed by the ICF may offer one possible route towards a more shared language of need across health, education and social care, although further evidence and testing will be required.

If we look at the ICF document it takes into account a great deal of environmental and health factors including endocrine health and physical abilities. Which is great as there’s a lot of comorbidity with physical and sensory processing differences which could be targeted and supported via physio and OT. Eg EDS, basic fine and gross motor skills, auditory processing differences. But they say “further evidence and testing will be required”

From this document https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-review-into-mental-health-conditions-adhd-and-autism-interim-report/independent-review-into-mental-health-conditions-adhd-and-autism-interim-report

ICF document from WHO, see checklist:

https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/international-classification-of-functioning-disability-and-health

International Classification of Functioning, Disability and Health (ICF)

International Classification of Functioning, Disability and Health (ICF)

https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/international-classification-of-functioning-disability-and-health

Theworldsgonemadagain · 03/08/2026 19:50

How do you know that there are loads of 'undiagnosed children?' Is there some magic number like 1 in 3 that are meant to have it??!! You really don't know how many are really living with it so it's a silly thing to say. There may be many kids waiting on lists for a diagnosis, it doesn't mean they actually have it. I'm just stating a fact that 30 years ago it was uncommon. You couldn't ignore a child with severe adhd then or now, it would manifest in all areas of thier lives. I'm not one saying it's not real. I lived with someone who had it! Perhaps there were other kids who did have it mildly so didn't need the diagnosis. Perhaps we should be looking into the cause of why children are being diagnosed at an alarming rate. I think a lot of people can fall into the catagory, being hyper, inattentive, not able to sleep, fidgetty well my son certainly ticks many boxes and it's in the family but as far as I'm concerned thats just his personality. I think it's making a mockery of those that really struggle with Adhd and it's not something to be taken lightly if parents are giving drugs to their children to keep them calm. Are there factors that can cause more issues with children's dopamine levels of course, additives, diet, environmental toxins. All these need to be looked into more.

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:54

Dr Julia Rucklidge has been researching MH and adhd and broad spectrum multi vitamins.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40900172/

recent paper showed both a positive placebo effect AND the impact of the vitamins for adhd.

https://thebetterbrainbook.com/julia-j-rucklidge

The Better Brain

Overcome anxiety, combat depression and reduce ADHD and stress with nutrition

https://thebetterbrainbook.com/julia-j-rucklidge

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 20:12

I do blame the tories for a lot of the current issues.

We have had the same nhs therapist for over 20 years. In that time her case load has doubled and her budget has remained the same. (Her words so I can’t go into more detail about that.)

The previous gov knew about rising SEND issues. And did nothing.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 20:16

Theworldsgonemadagain · 03/08/2026 19:50

How do you know that there are loads of 'undiagnosed children?' Is there some magic number like 1 in 3 that are meant to have it??!! You really don't know how many are really living with it so it's a silly thing to say. There may be many kids waiting on lists for a diagnosis, it doesn't mean they actually have it. I'm just stating a fact that 30 years ago it was uncommon. You couldn't ignore a child with severe adhd then or now, it would manifest in all areas of thier lives. I'm not one saying it's not real. I lived with someone who had it! Perhaps there were other kids who did have it mildly so didn't need the diagnosis. Perhaps we should be looking into the cause of why children are being diagnosed at an alarming rate. I think a lot of people can fall into the catagory, being hyper, inattentive, not able to sleep, fidgetty well my son certainly ticks many boxes and it's in the family but as far as I'm concerned thats just his personality. I think it's making a mockery of those that really struggle with Adhd and it's not something to be taken lightly if parents are giving drugs to their children to keep them calm. Are there factors that can cause more issues with children's dopamine levels of course, additives, diet, environmental toxins. All these need to be looked into more.

It is under diagnosed in the uk and wait lists are 4+ years for children and 8+ for adults according to the nhs adhd task force so “loads” is a pretty good description.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/report-of-the-independent-adhd-taskforce-part-1/

It was less common 30 years ago because half the population were shut out of the diagnosis process. We now know how it presents in girls and also that those with autism are allowed to be diagnosed with adhd too. Previously they weren’t. Trust me even though ADHd presents differently to my daughter and I than it does in boys it manifests in every part of our lives. My daughter tried to take her life several times because of it and the strain of coping and hiding it. No parent wants their kid on medication, but like many parents with a child who has it I had no choice. My daughter was weaned onto an additive free diet with a heavy restriction to tech. Like many late diagnosed women I had no tech as a child and a natural diet.

How dare you say I’m medicating her to keep her calm. Her NHS paediatric psychiatrist told us it was imperative. We would have lost her without medication and her transformation has been staggering. Maybe educate yourself instead of lambasting women and girls because female ADHD presents differently to boys.

NHS England » Report of the independent ADHD Taskforce: Part 1

April 2025

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/report-of-the-independent-adhd-taskforce-part-1

BertieBotts · 03/08/2026 20:27

yellowpostitnote · 03/08/2026 19:17

well it is when we consider that life changes can worsen the condition. A woman with mild traits who’s developed loads of over compensatory habits could completely fall apart during menopause. Or when having children. This is what Dr Helen Wall has been saying. Coping strategies that were normalised and worked suddenly don’t. Did that individual have adhd previously ? The DSM was different when they were at school - as was school itself.

I would NOT have coped at school if it was like it was today. I’d have either been a school refuser or diagnosed with something.

Yes, this is well known as a pattern. I definitely had a "fall apart moment" when having children, although given I was 20 and in a shit relationship and had gone from being teachers' pet/top set in everything, to failing or dropping out every post-GCSE course, I don't know how much anyone can say I didn't have ADHD previously. I suppose maybe you could put my fall apart moment at puberty instead.

There were also milder signs before though, like I was just a fucking weirdo at school who nobody liked apart from the teachers and the other weird kids (who, TBF, I adored) because I had close to 0 ability to pick up on social cues in conversations or understand what was fashionable or hilariously unfashionable (I can remember remarks that made teachers cringe). And in every single photo of me as a child I look like I have been assembled from some kind of jumble sale by someone who is overexcited by the concept of glue. And all my reports said things like "Would do great if she paid more attention" "Should stop looking out of the window and she might finish work" "Has such potential if only she would apply herself" "Needs to work on time management and presentation" "Enthusiastic and chatty but slow to complete written work, although it is of excellent quality when it is done". My entire puberty seemed to involve crying constantly/at least 3 times a week, to the point that I was really concerned when DS1 went through puberty and didn't turn into a blubbering mess until DH said maybe that's just a girl thing, and it's only later that I've though hang on - I don't even think other girls were having that much emotional dysregulation (maybe I'm wrong, though.) I had and still have one crippling phobias which are completely stupid but affect my day to day life. I used to lose and forget items constantly, causing much distress (which made no difference to the frequency that it happened). My dad was always telling me "You'd forget your head if it wasn't screwed on!" My bedroom floor was about 50cm deep with unfinished paper projects. etc etc.

And I wasn't actually diagnosed until 7 years after having DS1, because I didn't know that ADHD was related to all the difficulties I had been having, I thought it was just hyperactive kids. And then I was astonished when the doctor said she felt I was a pretty textbook case because I just thought I was a bit shit at life, and yet I was also somehow still thinking that I was presenting an outer image which looked like the way my teachers had talked about me at school.

The thing is that you can be an utter mess, but unless you're either involved in criminal activity, accessing addiction/mental health services or there's a child welfare concern, nobody will necessarily notice. And TBH even if you have any or all of the above nobody will necessarily put it down to anything except for poor life choices, and if it's not bad enough to be involved in any of these, people often notice that you seem a bit disorganised, or lazy, or forgetful but they usually only interact with you in one context, so assume everything else in your life basically functions and don't think any more of it. There's not really any scope to say hang on a minute, this person seems to be really struggling with the basics of adulthood, has anyone screened them for that disorder which can explain these difficulties? I know there have been schemes BTW but they are relatively recent and tend to be hyper-local whereas IMO you ought to be screening everyone who shows up in any of these places all of the time. And while you're at it it would make sense to screen generally too - at least anyone high risk e.g. direct relatives of anyone diagnosed with ADHD, children who have been in care or were born premature, school children who experience a slide in grades or where the teacher suspects intelligence and output aren't matching up. Or just generally in a similar way to how we screen for lots of things. Realistically they can't do this because if you screened everyone the amount of people you'd need to put through a full assessment would overwhelm the system, and it's already overwhelmed. But I think it is happening anyway because awareness is being raised of the more inattentive type presentations and so people are self-screening via the internet, which is sometimes accurate and sometimes is not.

The reason IMO that a lot of adult-diagnosed ADHD pops up as a question in the 4 Ps (Puberty, Pregnancy, Postpartum, Perimenopause - I'd add a fifth - Pandemic) is because those are times that life is generally that bit more difficult for everyone, and so if you have been hanging by a thread then you can completely fall apart. Or it can highlight that while other people around you in a similar stage of life are struggling, you can start to think but hang on a sec - the things they're talking about have ALWAYS been difficult for me, are they not supposed to be?? Or you join in with the camaraderie about it being a hard phase, and then the others pass through that stage of life and it gets better, and you stay stuck in the same cycles.

I think that's why they are trigger points, because there just aren't really any other routine times where general coping skills are looked at, or where differences are highlighted. Whatever your own normal is you just get used to it and assume everyone else is dealing with the same, it's only when you have a direct comparison moment that you will notice.

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 20:29

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 18:59

You’re the one saying it can be dealt with by lifestyle choices!

It might not be 'dealt with', but certainly supported by food, physical health, environment, different tech in the house or use of tech. Same as a lot of health conditions, this is no different.

It doesnt make me angry or outraged to consider that my MH can be supported by what I eat, how I exercise, how I manage my sleep, my stress levels, my physical environment and the people around me. I still need significant medication for it, I am still disabled by it but I can support myself if I do what I can.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 20:30

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 20:29

It might not be 'dealt with', but certainly supported by food, physical health, environment, different tech in the house or use of tech. Same as a lot of health conditions, this is no different.

It doesnt make me angry or outraged to consider that my MH can be supported by what I eat, how I exercise, how I manage my sleep, my stress levels, my physical environment and the people around me. I still need significant medication for it, I am still disabled by it but I can support myself if I do what I can.

ADHD is not a mental health condition.

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 20:34

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 20:30

ADHD is not a mental health condition.

Where did I say it was?

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 20:47

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 20:34

Where did I say it was?

You’re likening it to one.

How patronising to assume that people
with ADHD aren’t managing their sleep, stress and physical environment as best they can,the same as anybody else with a debilitating condition. Like
many they really do very little for my children as regards their ADHD. Medication is what really helps. As an organic, ingredients cook that likes everything natural and the same re pastimes for children that has been hard to come to terms with but it is reality.

SixtySomething · 03/08/2026 21:10

As an older person, I do agree with you. Growing up in the 1960s, life was so different for everyone.
TV in black and white and only on for a few hours a day. Not everyone had it.
Just one telephone (if you were lucky) in the hallway.
No supermarkets. People shopping on a daily basis in person in small shops.
You bought a car parking ticket from an attendant, you bought a bus ticket from a conductor.
If you wanted to know what time the train was, you rang up the railway station and the ticket office clerk would tell you.
Most people didn't have a car . You worked locally and used the bus or train.
You paid for things in cash. If you didn't have the money , you couldn't buy it.
Teachers wrote on the blackboard in chalk.
Food was prepared at home, so far less additives and sugar. People were not over weight. They walked much more.

If you put these factors together, it's obvious that life was much slower and people did one thing at a time, often interacting with other human beings to arrange something.

So yes, society does at the least make ADHD much more severe.

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 21:12

SixtySomething · 03/08/2026 21:10

As an older person, I do agree with you. Growing up in the 1960s, life was so different for everyone.
TV in black and white and only on for a few hours a day. Not everyone had it.
Just one telephone (if you were lucky) in the hallway.
No supermarkets. People shopping on a daily basis in person in small shops.
You bought a car parking ticket from an attendant, you bought a bus ticket from a conductor.
If you wanted to know what time the train was, you rang up the railway station and the ticket office clerk would tell you.
Most people didn't have a car . You worked locally and used the bus or train.
You paid for things in cash. If you didn't have the money , you couldn't buy it.
Teachers wrote on the blackboard in chalk.
Food was prepared at home, so far less additives and sugar. People were not over weight. They walked much more.

If you put these factors together, it's obvious that life was much slower and people did one thing at a time, often interacting with other human beings to arrange something.

So yes, society does at the least make ADHD much more severe.

And your proof for this?

SuctionSurgery · 03/08/2026 21:15

I know a young lad with ADHD who has 2 master's degrees and a successful career as a software engineer.

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 21:19

Pqrl0ur · 03/08/2026 20:47

You’re likening it to one.

How patronising to assume that people
with ADHD aren’t managing their sleep, stress and physical environment as best they can,the same as anybody else with a debilitating condition. Like
many they really do very little for my children as regards their ADHD. Medication is what really helps. As an organic, ingredients cook that likes everything natural and the same re pastimes for children that has been hard to come to terms with but it is reality.

I didnt liken it to one at all. Do you have problems understanding things?

Im talking about my personal condition. I have others I can bore people with too, they all require other management techniques that wont 'deal with' the condition but can support the day to day management of it.

My most pressing need is to do with my MH so I have to be careful how I manage my life around it

Same as anyone who has any other condition that they have to be careful how they manage their life around.

Ive spent over 30 years at the business end of supporting people with a range of vulnerabilities, ND is only one of those. Medication, while I am a big fan of it, actually doesnt help everyone with ADHD and some of our clients refuse to take it in any case.