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To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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Sausagenbacon · 16/07/2026 20:05

www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

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EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 20:26

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:24

Nobody gets a choice, do they?

Tax is paid, and spent as the sitting government requires/sees fit.

There is no directing what it’s spent on. For anyone.

Unless there is and I can start only contributing specifically to things that I want to?

There is a choice but it’s when people vote.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:28

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 20:26

There is a choice but it’s when people vote.

Okay, so when we have an election, struggling British families can vote to reclaim their £125.

I would assume however that it won’t be taken off their tax, it’ll be spent somewhere else.

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 20:31

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:19

Apparently our total asylum cost works out at around £125 per tax payer, per year.

I’m alright with that.

That’s a lot.

At least for me.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:35

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 20:31

That’s a lot.

At least for me.

It’s 0.42% of our total tax revenue.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 20:38

DuncinToffee · 17/07/2026 20:23

I think we spent about £4b per year on asylum seeker but I don't know how much was spent on this family and I don't care. I wish them a safe, happy and healthy life.

£10b was wasted on PPE

You don't care there are people going to come and getting taxpayer funded housing and money for living costs? Just automatically and they aren't even citizens.

PPE money was wasted AND this is as well.

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 20:47

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:35

It’s 0.42% of our total tax revenue.

Source?

Lasttraintolondon · 17/07/2026 20:53

Everyone knows we're in massive debt as a country and it's rising right? We're borrowing more and more money and the debt is there for our children to pay.

We are not the nearest safe country.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:55

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 20:47

Source?

The government.

  • Total Tax Revenue: According to the latest annual data from HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC), the government collected £938.8 billion in total taxes and National Insurance contributions.
  • Annual Asylum Costs: Reports from the National Audit Office (NAO) put the annual cost of asylum accommodation, support, and processing at approximately £4 billion (following recent hotel closures and enforcement cuts).

£4bn / £938bn x 100 = 0.42%.

LuckyHazelFox · 17/07/2026 20:57

@Lasttraintolondon It's about to get a lot worse.

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:00

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 20:55

The government.

  • Total Tax Revenue: According to the latest annual data from HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC), the government collected £938.8 billion in total taxes and National Insurance contributions.
  • Annual Asylum Costs: Reports from the National Audit Office (NAO) put the annual cost of asylum accommodation, support, and processing at approximately £4 billion (following recent hotel closures and enforcement cuts).

£4bn / £938bn x 100 = 0.42%.

That is a lot.

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:01

What year was that?

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:05

@RodneyKitten

That’s personal opinion, happy to differ on whether 0.42% is a lot. The remaining 99.58% of our spend obviously accounts for far more.

24 - 26 tax and fiscal years.

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:12

Still a lot.

11AndCounting · 17/07/2026 21:12

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 20:16

We’ll see. Labour have voted on far stricter family reunification policies. I can’t see how right to family life is adhered to with that in place.

But it’s all slow and goes through courts, it may be a couple of years before a clash goes to Strasbourg.

I can't imagine the new, stricter rules being successfully challenged in any substantial way, given that they're in keeping with other laws, from other member states, that have successfully survived ECtHR challenges.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:13

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:12

Still a lot.

Okay. 0.42% is a lot.

Out of interest, do you have a similar threshold for how many war torn children is “a lot”?

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:19

Ah, once you lose the reasonable argument the sentiment comes out.

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 21:22

DuncinToffee · 17/07/2026 19:35

How do we not have full control of immigration?

Point based system and an asylum process.

All the laws we want, any of the ECHR protections you don't want?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? If Governments could do what they liked with immigration policy, this thread wouldn’t exist! For starters, the last Government would have implemented its Rwanda policy.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:26

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:19

Ah, once you lose the reasonable argument the sentiment comes out.

Sentiment for children who lived in war torn countries, of which there are apparently 11 in this specific case?

Yes. That would be me.

I didn’t lose a reasonable argument. You lost understanding percentages.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 21:28

11AndCounting · 17/07/2026 21:12

I can't imagine the new, stricter rules being successfully challenged in any substantial way, given that they're in keeping with other laws, from other member states, that have successfully survived ECtHR challenges.

I’m surprised at that but I suppose it’s a reason for the heavy focus on single males for asylum.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 21:31

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:13

Okay. 0.42% is a lot.

Out of interest, do you have a similar threshold for how many war torn children is “a lot”?

Aren't there numerous other nations they can go? Perhaps nearer

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:32

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:26

Sentiment for children who lived in war torn countries, of which there are apparently 11 in this specific case?

Yes. That would be me.

I didn’t lose a reasonable argument. You lost understanding percentages.

There are millions of children in war torn countries.

How many are you happy to pay for?

The eleven mentioned above?
The millions more?

What percentage will that be? How do you choose who to pay for? Who are the deserving ones your percentage will be going to?

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 21:36

There's numerous starving children in Sudan and Somalia. I don't think this means they have a right to enter the UK.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:38

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:32

There are millions of children in war torn countries.

How many are you happy to pay for?

The eleven mentioned above?
The millions more?

What percentage will that be? How do you choose who to pay for? Who are the deserving ones your percentage will be going to?

I’ve got no idea how many my specific percentage pays for, because that’s not how tax works.

But that percentage isn’t enough to rile me up. If/when a different one does though, I’ll be sure to let you know?

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 21:40

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:38

I’ve got no idea how many my specific percentage pays for, because that’s not how tax works.

But that percentage isn’t enough to rile me up. If/when a different one does though, I’ll be sure to let you know?

So, how many children from
war torn countries are you ready to take in?

Hundreds?
Thousands?
Why not millions?

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 21:41

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 21:26

Sentiment for children who lived in war torn countries, of which there are apparently 11 in this specific case?

Yes. That would be me.

I didn’t lose a reasonable argument. You lost understanding percentages.

If the pp is correct it looks like children and spouses can be blocked. It’s more paying for the men arriving.

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