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To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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Sausagenbacon · 16/07/2026 20:05

www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

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Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:27

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 09:50

You're a migrant non-taxpayer.

I know it will be difficult to stretch your imagination, but indulge me. What if these family members learn English. What if these family members make dedicated efforts to get UK qualifications (education is highly prized in Gaza). What if these family members then get jobs and start paying tax. What if, as a result of the support the UK initially gave, they become high earners, paying lots of tax and supporting the community through, say, being doctors, or teachers.

Why, then they'll be no different to your children and husband. Different to you, of course, because you don't work and don't pay employment taxes.

We chose to apply to move. The gov accepted and we contributed to the economy.

I have a job.

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 10:30

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 09:04

As far as I know they don't.

Apparently you're wrong. Surprising, I know.

Shall we remove all Indian Hindu doctors from the UK, because "they're all the same" and they "won't integrate into our way of life"?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypdjkz43no

A custody photo of Mohan Babu who has greying hair and goatee beard

Jailed Havant GP struck off for abusing female patients

Mohan Babu's behaviour was "predatory, repeated [and] persistent", a medical tribunal concludes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypdjkz43no

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:30

LagerLady · 17/07/2026 09:43

Surely, we can just ignore the bits about migrant rights, like the Danes do?

I wish we did as well

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:31

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 09:39

So you didn't use the NHS or state schools? You didn't use electricity, water or gas, travel on public roads, use public transport, fly out of an airport? You never called upon the police for help? Never got a library card? Never enrolled your children into sports clubs or took them to a swimming pool? You just sat at home, raising your children and living your life without recourse to any of the infrastructure that taxpayers have paid for. And not working either, so not contributing. Marvellous.

I did. So what?

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 10:33

ChunkyMonkey36 · 17/07/2026 09:22

There is no way I’d leave my nephews in Gaza.

I’m quite happy to leave them in Teesside while I live 150miles away in Cheshire.

But Teesside isn’t war torn.

But what has this got to do with the “right to family life” which is the human right invoked here?

And then where does that end? Because your siblings spouses will have siblings,
nieces and nephews, who also have their own spouses, who also have siblings, nieces and nephews etc etc.

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 10:34

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 09:14

Its crazy how the Left is so selective in what they call “racist”.

If anyone made a similar comment about Pakistani rapists then they’d be crying “racist” faster than you could say “immigration”!

Sarcasm and irony often doesn't come across clearly in the written word, I agree.

Many people can spot it. But not all.

SeaAndSangria · 17/07/2026 10:35

Whatdidyoujustcallme · 16/07/2026 20:22

Yes. Let’s lose all equality, employment and right to a fair trial stuff! Who needs it - employers can hire and fire at will, you can fuck off with your maternity pay, in fact, forget your job, I don’t need a moody mummy asking for flexible working, or days off to look after her brats. Get rid of that silly PACE stuff, just lock em all up. If they say it wasn’t them, persuade a confession. No need for redundancy pay, or sick pay, or a minimum wage, or reasonable hours. No need for rights to a private life, who needs that?

You know when lots of silly people voted to leave the EU? And the same silly people are only just realising that they can no longer move their family to Benidorm and get a job and live there, or retire there because their income isn’t high enough?

That. You cannot cherry pick which bits of civilisation you like and ditch the bits you don’t. ECHR is international law, not just the EU you silly billy.

This.
Wanting to give away your human rights to "own" the brown people or trans or whoever is utter madness.
The stupidity of people is astounding.
Not to mention depressing.

Badbadbunny · 17/07/2026 10:36

thisandthats · 16/07/2026 20:38

Be very very careful. Without this framework we would lose

right to maternity pay
right to sick pay
right to notice and consultation if being made redundant

basically we’d be america. Women go back to work 8 weeks post partum and babies die in nurseries they are swaddled all day at an age they should still be with their mothers. Literally just google ‘infant death rates america’. Maybe you want that. I don’t.

Nothing to stop the UK government introducing it's own laws rather than piggybacking on European/International laws. No one says that withdrawing from the ECHR would mean we'd not replace any of the laws/protections.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:37

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 10:30

Apparently you're wrong. Surprising, I know.

Shall we remove all Indian Hindu doctors from the UK, because "they're all the same" and they "won't integrate into our way of life"?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypdjkz43no

You can find crime committed by all races in the UK.

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:39

RodneyKitten · 17/07/2026 10:21

We know enough to know that there many children who in the UK are housed with priority.

So yes, they will be housed.

But you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, wrong thought it might be.

You do not know that. You have no idea of the personal or financial circumstances of this family. The woman who brought the case might own a block of flats for all you know. It may well be your opinion which is wrong.

You might want to tell the nearly 180k children who are currently homeless that they have priority housing.

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:40

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 10:21

Such micro focus v big issues impacting so many countries.

I don’t think pointing out hypocrisy is a micro issue.

SuffolkSun · 17/07/2026 10:41

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Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:42

Again why do these 18 people have a right to leave Egypt (a safe country) and come here and receive taxpayer funded houses and get help with living costs?

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:42

Badbadbunny · 17/07/2026 10:36

Nothing to stop the UK government introducing it's own laws rather than piggybacking on European/International laws. No one says that withdrawing from the ECHR would mean we'd not replace any of the laws/protections.

Like we did with all the EU laws? Oh hang on, we just flipped them to be UK laws. Ten years since Brexit and we haven’t changed any of them. Weird given they were so problematic we had to come out of the EU.

DuncinToffee · 17/07/2026 10:42

Badbadbunny · 17/07/2026 10:36

Nothing to stop the UK government introducing it's own laws rather than piggybacking on European/International laws. No one says that withdrawing from the ECHR would mean we'd not replace any of the laws/protections.

But you can't guarantee it.

Which of the protections are you willing to lose?

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:42

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:42

Again why do these 18 people have a right to leave Egypt (a safe country) and come here and receive taxpayer funded houses and get help with living costs?

Still waiting for you to cite your sources from your online “research”

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 10:43

AutumnHazel · 17/07/2026 10:33

But what has this got to do with the “right to family life” which is the human right invoked here?

And then where does that end? Because your siblings spouses will have siblings,
nieces and nephews, who also have their own spouses, who also have siblings, nieces and nephews etc etc.

I assume the home office and Mahmood didn’t want this precedent set. This is a Labour gov which many on here seem to support.

Mahmood’s policies are to stop family reunification and overturn the trafficking case at a higher court.

Should she do those things?

KatiePricesKnickers · 17/07/2026 10:43

DuncinToffee · 17/07/2026 10:42

But you can't guarantee it.

Which of the protections are you willing to lose?

But put to a referendum it can be guaranteed.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 10:44

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:40

I don’t think pointing out hypocrisy is a micro issue.

Of course it is. It’s just rounding on one poster. The broader issues are very current and not just impacting one country.

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:44

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:42

Like we did with all the EU laws? Oh hang on, we just flipped them to be UK laws. Ten years since Brexit and we haven’t changed any of them. Weird given they were so problematic we had to come out of the EU.

Okay and?

MaturingCheeseball · 17/07/2026 10:48

AGAIN how many people should be permitted to come here? Every Gazan? Because why this family and not another? What about Afghans? Somalians?

Apparently 30 million people are seeking to move to the UK. And that’s a conservative estimate.

It’s no use talking about maternity and employment rights if the country is obliged to accept millions of arrivals requiring housing and welfare. The country will be bankrupted.

inkognitha · 17/07/2026 10:49

BoredZelda · 17/07/2026 10:18

Haven’t seen anyone saying STFU, just pointing out hypocrisy.

It s not hypocrisy.
It's being allowed to have an opinion, like any other resident of this country.

If you want to establish distinctions between who is worthy to speak out and who is not, then, as a direct stakeholder with lived experience, I actually think foreigners' opinions should matter more. Because if you think your opinion should matter more because you're uk-born, it's a bit rich for someone who wants to keep borders open and give everyone uk rights.

When even foreigners tell you, on top of the native population, that there is a migration problem, it means that there is a migration problem.

I am very grateful to have been allowed to settle in the UK on a personal level but on a national level, for the sake of this country, it s plain to see there are too many people doing the same and not all of them contribute and integrate, and that is becoming a massive issue.

And I wish for the UK government to do something about it. If the consequences reach me, I would not like it, I would find it unfair (I have UK citizenship, I have moved here before the big surge, etc.) but I am willing to take the risk because I love this country.

Do you?
You have no skin in the game, no direct experience, I may be in a contradictory situation but the hypocrisy is not on my side.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 10:50

MaturingCheeseball · 17/07/2026 10:48

AGAIN how many people should be permitted to come here? Every Gazan? Because why this family and not another? What about Afghans? Somalians?

Apparently 30 million people are seeking to move to the UK. And that’s a conservative estimate.

It’s no use talking about maternity and employment rights if the country is obliged to accept millions of arrivals requiring housing and welfare. The country will be bankrupted.

Can this be addressed rather than one person on a work visa from India

What should happen?

Daafdjdnd · 17/07/2026 10:53

Even if they are in Egypt or in Gaza what gives them a right to come here? A whole 18 people that need the taxpayer to support them?

inkognitha · 17/07/2026 10:55

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So my opinion is more abhorrent to you especially because I am a foreigner?

And I suppose you would define yourself as anti-racist or against xenophobia...

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