To ask why the England team (the men) keep falling at the final hurdle, (well virtually at the final hurdle,) at the football World Cup ... and The Euros too?

[GorgeousSpringtime]

Not an England-team bashing thread, but why, oh WHY do they - the men - keep falling at the final hurdle (well, virtually the final hurdle,) every time at the football (soccer) World Cup - and the Euro Cup too...?

They do so well, and get so far, and then BANG they're out. Nearly always in the top 8, or top 4, (and the top 2, in the World Cup once, and a couple of times in the Euros I think,) but never the winner. (Not since 1966 anyway!)

Is it nerves? Is it that they're so anxious to win that they keep making silly mistakes? Are they just not quite good enough? WHAT IS IT? Why do they keep getting so close, but just never manage to get the win?!

As I said, I am not bashing them, and they did well, and I am proud of them, but I just get so frustrated that they can't quite ever get the win!

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I'm actually amazed punches didn't get thrown

His 'light tap' is not allowed. News reports are saying he may face disciplinary action

If he does face action then so should Messi and the man who struck Anderson and all the others along with sheet gate gang.

You do have the memory of a goldfish. You were the one who brought up Ireland, you started the conversation about it!

you wrote

'We have such loyalty for all home nations it is sad to see how full of bile some scots, welsh and irish are.'

I then pointed out that some Irish people won't support England due to the recent conflict between UK and Ireland .

You then wrote 'ah that's ancient history, the falkland war was more recent'.

I then wrote that the UK/Ireland conflict is actually more recent than the Falkland war.

At that point you then wrote 'what have the N.I troubles got to do with argentina'.Even though you started the chat about it. Such gaslighting!

I worked in Spain. The climate is very condusive to sport and outdoor life. The people are super fit as a result. Britain not so much.
I imaging latin countries like Argentina have a similar if not more varied climate and outdoorsy culture than Britain does. Plus they put all their emphasis on football rather than rugby, cricket, hockey etc.

Well fine, I'm not bothered if he does? The point is the argies did far worse throughout the actual match and seemed to get away with it. Bit like their scruffy bed sheet protest.

I think it's more stature tbh. Spaniards and argies all seem very small and quick. Surely that's a bonus in this sport.

You've literally proved my point 👏👏
And, yes, street fights.
There have been fewer arrests than usual at this tournament so far. Usually there's a lot of trouble wherever England fans go.
But I personally think this year's improved behaviour is because the Tartan Army showed everyone how to enjoy the tournament, and watch games without fighting after matches. There was never any expectation for Scotland to go further. We know that. We don't pretend otherwise. We just enjoy it for what it is - getting to the WC for the first time in decades, as opposed to being fuming when we get to the final four 🤦🏼‍♀️

Tell that to Erling Haaland, considered by many as the best out and out striker in the world atm.

There is a place for all heights in football. Messi and Maradonna aren't/weren't that big IIRC.

was it just a little love tap do you think @Gloriia

I'm not familiar with a 'love tap'? I'm not bothered what it was tbh, the match was over and it was nothing compared to their grabs and pushes during said match.

Yes Messi is tiny. That was kind of my point.

Only one team wins every tournament. Why do you think England should win over any other well-funded team? (Or even a badly-funded team, since they all already play for top teams so shouldn't need extra funding.)

Yes and Haaland is huge. Which is kind of my point.

Who's in the final? Teeny men. Which is kind of my point

Sorry I misread you post. It said fall and I read fail. I’m sorry about that.

Depends what was said. I read that he called him monkey in Spanish. I don’t know for sure if it’s true. But if it is, then a slap round the back of his head was well-deserved in my opinion.

I mean, I very clearly do know more than you do. Not necessarily because I’ve lived in NI longer (tho that probably helps) - but because I’m just plain old better informed than you are.

Also, quit policing the thread! I can challenge whomsoever I like. As it happens, I’m challenging you because you’re claiming to be this great Irish historian, which you’re clearly very far from. I challenge your knowledge and the accuracy of some of the points you made and suddenly it turns into this ludicrous bun-fight - essentially because you don’t like being challenged.

A very wise manager once said, the best form of defence is to attack.
Someone should have written that on a white board for Tuchel

Should have knocked him to the floor in my opinion.

Hopefully on Saturday he will let them play the way they want to….

The tartan army were not there for long.
They over exposed them on the BBC.
There has been no trouble with the English fans and the Scottish fans were back home again before the tournament started seriously.
Interesting there was a fight at our school today between some Argentinian students and some Scottish students. The Scots were trying to antagonise them against the English.
All over Tik Tok apparently.
Seems the Scots start young.

@gorgeousSpringtime. Why don’t you start a thread asking why Scotland, Wales and Ireland never get past the first hurdle, let alone the final hurdle? That might be more relevant for you, instead of goading.

Yeah, right.

England has a God-given right to win the World Cup, so all these foreign managers must be to blame.

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