To ask why the England team (the men) keep falling at the final hurdle, (well virtually at the final hurdle,) at the football World Cup ... and The Euros too?

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Not an England-team bashing thread, but why, oh WHY do they - the men - keep falling at the final hurdle (well, virtually the final hurdle,) every time at the football (soccer) World Cup - and the Euro Cup too...?

They do so well, and get so far, and then BANG they're out. Nearly always in the top 8, or top 4, (and the top 2, in the World Cup once, and a couple of times in the Euros I think,) but never the winner. (Not since 1966 anyway!)

Is it nerves? Is it that they're so anxious to win that they keep making silly mistakes? Are they just not quite good enough? WHAT IS IT? Why do they keep getting so close, but just never manage to get the win?!

As I said, I am not bashing them, and they did well, and I am proud of them, but I just get so frustrated that they can't quite ever get the win!

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You couldn't make it up.

and you dont think you're offensive by writing (I've actually LIVED there - you just have an Irish parent) like you are the only person who could have ever possibly have lived in Northern Ireland. So rude!

Shouldn't you ask others if they have lived there, before you assume?

No. I don’t think that’s at all offensive.

You lived two years in a country where you saw a couple of soldiers versus my experience, which involves:

1. Pot shots taken by (basically) child soldiers at the army in the field at the back of my childhood home and resultant fall out;
2. School bus diverted away from Protestant areas, lest rocks be thrown at it;
3. Parents’ ID checked whenever we drove from south into West Belfast;
4. buses regularly burned out, preventing travel to the city centre;
5. Kids from both sides of the divide being beaten up because of the uniform they wore;
6. Severely restricted freedom of movement during the Orange marching season.

I COULD GO ON.

And yet you have the audacity to try to dictate why I shouldn’t cheer for England and question the strength of my Irishness because I “moved away”.

I will ALWAYS be Irish. Always.

Anyone else enjoying the delicious irony of Ireland lover @mindymoo11berating an Irish person?

What did the English supporters do?

Are you joking?
When Scotland went out, social media was FULL of English fans laughing and taking the piss.
This is one reason that Scottish fans don't, on the whole, support England.

Another reason is the shit we've had from England over many years, being treated like second-class Brits.

Additionally, loads of English posters on here are getting annoyed/bored with mentioning 1966, and hoping the Three Lions song get dropped soon. That's another reason people don't support England - banging on and on about it, plus the sense of entitlement and huge expectations that the fans have.
Followed by domestic violence and street fights after losing.

It's not a competition piglet89. And I think your posts are getting more and more bizarre.

First you said that you knew more than me because you lived in Northern Ireland and I haven't.

When I pointed out to you that you are wrong. that I have actually lived in Northern Ireland, and I actually lived in it during the era of the troubles, now you know more than me because you lived there longer than me. I saw soldiers on my street in Northern Ireland all the time.

Also it's So strange that you are directing your aggression at me and not at Gloriia, who wrote that the Falklands war was more recent than the Northern Ireland troubles!

How amazing that her inaccurate sentence didn't draw even the slightest bit of irritation from you. Be consistent.

Gloriia obviously knows less than you about Northern Ireland. isn't that what you get angry about? Why are you not spouting bile at her?

It's played to what the players think they can get away with.

Generally my experience of watching the game in the prem is that players wise up pretty quickly when regulations change. A couple of sendings off is all that is needed to stamp out particular behaviour. The question is whether FIFA actually wants to enforce that to "improve" the game (improve in quotes because it is a matter of perspective as to whether it actually improves the game or not).

I think the quality of refereeing in this tournament has been exceptionally poor. When I watch games in the prem, it always amazes me how good the refs actually are, how much they see and how little actually gets past them.

I think smaller countries with less developed domestic leagues don't really have the opportunities for refs to work with the best (at playing and at cheating) players, don't have access to the technology, review systems and training that refs in the prem have. So there is no reason to expect they should be anywhere near as good. But of course the world cup has to be inclusive in terms of which countries supply the referees.

I would like to see an exchange program set up by FIFA where maybe one or two refs in the top domestic leagues need to be from other countries. This would help bring up refereeing standards in general as they are trained up to deal with the very best players.

What DNA comment?

Oh pipe down. Street fights? In your dreams.
i guess they had every right to make fun of you as you scored one tiny goal. We got through to the final four. So on the back of all the Scottish goading, you got a taste of your own medicine.
Except we are one of the top teams and you are most definitely not.

'She described the Falklands war (1980s) as more recent than the UK/Ireland conflict'

Unionists v republicans conflict. No one is keeping NI part of the UK except their own residents 'A majority of voters in Northern Ireland favor remaining in the United Kingdom over joining a united Ireland. Recent polls consistently show support for staying in the UK at around 50% to 58%, while support for a united Ireland generally ranges from 34% to 42%'

You accept that he Falklands war is not more recent than the UK/IReland troubles though, yes?

Falklands war was early 1982.

The good friday peace agreement in Northern Ireland was signed in 1998

We were playing Argentina. I'm not sure what relevance the 'troubles' have here.

Ah good old deflection!

That means you won't answer because you see you were wrong.

'Im not sure what relevance the troubles have'

You certainly have the memory of a goldfish then, seeing as you were involved in the conversation earlier on this thread about it

You are correct.
The referees have been beyond useless.
if you see a player thump someone on the back of the head, which catches them off guard and they fall, I would say that is a red card.

if they hit someone on the back of the head after a match, like Jude did, it should probably be a fine

If I heard the vile comments from the Argentinians and the Falklands sheets being shoved in my face, I would have done more than a little slap to his head. Bellingham was goaded throughout and the ref ignored it.
i can’t wait to see the reception the Argentinian premier league players get. I would sack them all and tell them to go and and get stuffed.

Are you Argentinian Miss Mindy? Or just someone who supports violence, burning of opponents flags and dirty cheating tactics? Nice

hitting anyone should not be allowed.

argentina shoving people to the ground was rough. jude Bellingham hitting the arg player was rough

What comment was that ?
I like tuchel also .

I'm not Argentinian.

You wrote that you don't like violence.

Didn't England player Jude Bellingham hit an Argentina player to the back of his head after the match?

IT was a rough game all round

so if someone goaded you, would you slap them on the head?

I think you would be charged for assault if you did that

Exactly. Argies behave like little shits and get away with it and a pp is clutching their pearls over a light tap on someone's head, someone who was being a little shit.

I don't have the memory of a goldfish. The 'troubles' are irrelevant. NI wasn't even in the tournament.

Argentinians we're holding up a raggy bed sheet with a goady, fake message on it. Do keep up.

That's quite funny. So you don't like it when the other team are rough but its fine when Jude slaps someone on the head.

Do you think that you are perhaps....a little biased?

i think that everyone who was rough and violent was wrong. The arg players should have got yellow cards at least.

Jude should probably face discipliniary action.

That player had run on the pitch apparently during the match
And was being rude in Spanish.
Not that it excuse the slap
However throughout the entire game they game in violent and JB repeatedly tries to get anyone's attention after the head jab to anderson.

No I saw the match. His light tap was nothing more than that. Unlike the out of control, frothing argies. Still, fifa likes them so it's all good.