Andy Burnham should be delivering Labours manifesto, not his own

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Fair enough, have your ideas on HOW to do it, but his plans to further devolution were not voted on. Surely this is wrong.

Am watching his speech and am finding the roars and loud clapping from Labour MPs intolerable.

Everything he's said is totally vague and meaningless, and he's talking like he's already the PM when nobody has voted for him.

Yep think he’ll be out. Even if he had the most genius vision for change ever, the results wouldn’t be showing themselves within 2 years

He is going to put Britain back where it belongs, wherever that is.

Vague and meaningless is right. It’s just more of the same but with a less robotic delivery. I wish someone would grasp the nettle and actually do something.

This is how we get PM Farage.

The irony being that Farage is also vague and meaningless.

That’s a relief!

I feel like he needs to visit some deprived areas in the south.

I'm not against local areas being given the resource to resolve local specific issues but there’s no magic money tree so they still need to have some sensible way of doing this

"We need to move forwards.."

Labour MPs clap loudly and enthusiastically

".. and not backwards"

Labour MPs shout "Yesss!"

This is embarrassing.

He suggested he has a ten year economic plan for the UK, but didn't tell us what it is and said he'd stick to the 2024 Labour manifesto anyway, and this plan has been written by the brilliant minds of phone thief Louise Haigh and class warrior Lucy Powell.

I would support him totally tearing up the manifesto. Some of the policies in there are at the root of the current mess. Especially arbitrary red lines around the economy.

Everyone will complain either way so he might as well do things really differently. But he won’t.

Another two years watching the labour death spiral, then…

Oh, of course. But in a more straight-talking way. Or something.

Agreed.

Burnham v Farage shows how unserious we are as a country.

I despise the Tories but they do at least have a leader who is clear.

He complains Westminster doesn’t represent the north - is that a failing of northern MPs?

and he talks about re industrialisation - are going to compete with China?

Calling Andy Burnham "far left" just signals that you don't know what the far left actually is. He's a mainstream social democrat who supports policies like bus franchising, devolution and public investment not abolishing capitalism or democracy. Replacing facts with conspiracy theories and insults just make you look really silly.

But you put "END OF" so we're all convinced now....

I was in Manchester only the other week for work and it is still a dark scary hole. Is that what we can expect under Burnham’s ‘success’? No thanks! More money being wasted with MPs having to travel up and down to his new hub and on all the costs associated with such a ridiculous self serving move.

I actually find Kemi even less serious than either of them. She’s absolutely obsessed with online culture wars shit.

She also just seems like such a horrible person, which I know is a vague and meaningless criticism in itself. But that’s the feeling I get every time she speaks. She is so unkind, gloating, cruel, mocking, lacking in even the minimum of conciliatoriness or empathy. And I don’t find her clear either - she just reacts to whatever the story of the day is, but tangible policy ideas are few and far between.

Sorry for the rant - as you can tell she really does my nut in! Rishi and even Boris seem likeable by comparison

More people like her than any male leader who’s in rn. I think she gets criticism like this on here because she doesn’t fit a pre conceived mould and faces extra barriers.

Manchester isn’t that far north. What about the proper North and Scotland. We are East Midlands so proper forgotten. He is very Manchester centric

She is very fond of insults. It seems like it is all she has.

I think King Charles should dissolve parliament

This subject had come up with the last nine(!) prime minister changes.

No party and no manifesto can be successful right now – and for the long term actually. The country have the equivalent of a shopping addiction for PMs right now because they cannot accept that it's not fixable.

You know what, definitions from the Left change all the time but people still know what those terms really mean.

Andy Burnham is Far Left-you may change the definition of Far Left so that he no longer fits it-but by most reasonable, none mucked about with definitions of Far Left-he certainly is.

You may not like those apples but tough luck.

Look, knock her all you want but she worked in McDonald’s don’t you know, she understands the people!!!!

It’s a shitshow right now, can’t bear the thought of actually having to vote for one of this lot. However, despite not liking the guy, I hope I am wrong and Burnham is amazing. I hope he makes everything incredible. Because if not Farage will be here setting fire to everything in two years time and we will all be fucked.

She is currently relying too much on insults and generally being rather unpleasant. That can be acknowledged at the same time as acknowledging that, as a Black woman, she has had to overcome barriers and prejudice to get where she is. That is admirable, but it doesn't excuse her recent behaviour.

So your evidence is 'everyone knows' and 'tough luck'.

Quite the shrewd political mind you have.

He does think a lot of himself. Let’s hope he’s right to