Andy Burnham should be delivering Labours manifesto, not his own

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Fair enough, have your ideas on HOW to do it, but his plans to further devolution were not voted on. Surely this is wrong.

He's not got a mandate on which he's been elected. Isn't that the problem? I'm judging by his history and if I'm wrong I will be gobsmacked. It will be decimate the private sector to fund the public sector. He's a hard core socialist.

The left and their tolerance for democracy- on their own terms, of course. Nothing new. I could have not taken seriously the idea that Burnham turning a city into a cosmopolitan gimmick somehow makes him fit to be PM. I "entertained" the comment because this is a forum.

It amazes me how badly so many want this country to fail.

Useful idiots, who are doing the bidding of those who want a weak UK and Europe.

If you are being serious, you are making yourself look very silly.

The Labour Party was elected on a mandate, which still exists. I know you would like a GE now, but it probably isn't going to happen, you'll just have to live with that.

The man does not believe in democracy: a trait of the far Left.

He twice ran-and failed to be Labour leader.

He then waited for the inevitable balls up that Keir Starmer was expected to-and did-make.

He then engineered a by election by getting(persuading/bribing/threatening/blackmailing-we don't know which but it will be one of these) a perfectly good Labour MP to stand aside, forcing a by-election for no reason other than his hard nosed political ambition.

He then moved players about so there would be no vote from his own party as to whether he would be leader and is about to declare doing lots of grasping hard left things without so much as one blush of shame about whether he should call a General Election.

He seemed to believe in this when the Tories had a change in PM, even though each and every one of them was an elected MP at the time of the election and were not going to deviate hugely from the manifesto,

He is holding a press Conference this morning at which no-one will be allowed to ask any questions.

He is going to make sure his mates get power in the provinces.

He is not really Andy Capp but Comrade Andy.

As an aside, he did fuck all in Manchester apart from run some buses and give the bus drivers 56% pay rise to do it quietly and without fuss.

Manchester is a crime ridden shit hole with charity shops on Oxford Street and Deansgate, more rough sleepers than ever, sky high parking-which is why everyone goes to the Trafford Centre with shops and coffee shops closing in town-and filthy streets.

The man is a twat, he is going to surround himself with far left twats-Milliband, Raynor and Fraudster Haigh.

Yes, he is Far Left and in two years, there will be no discussion about it as everyone-except those who are either Far Left themselves or who have heads as soft as a baked apple-will know.

END OF.

The problem is the difference in intent/concept.

AB says that he wants local government because the people feel distant from Westminster, but the physical location is actually irrelevant.

Generally, everyone I know feels distanced from politicians who seem to inhabit their own little public-sector bubble where their salaries and pensions are assured, most have never employed a person, nor manufactured a single saleable item, let alone run a company or built something significant. Not one lives in poverty, or has to rent in the private sector without having the rent subsidised.

And virtually every one wants to be seen to be nice by being generous on welfare, pandering to some bizarre notions, and welcoming immigrants, regardless of what the working people of the country seem to want (a decent job, sensible rent, and a functioning NHS, Education system, and defence)

The one thing devolution will do is generate more politicians at every level as it has in Wales/Scotland.

Funny how politicians always think things can be improved if only there were more of them (despite approx 400 Labour MPs apparently being too useless to promote to PM).

No government can or should be held to their manifesto 2 years after an election. Things happen. Stuff changes. You cannot possible predict what will happen in 5 years time.

The actual hard Left are moaning about him not being hard Left enough. He was originally a Centre Left Blairite.

Will MPs need a third home near the seat in the north!

I don't like what he did in Makerfield either. It was wrong. But the electorate had the choice to vote against him and chose in large numbers not to. Which seems to suggest many have been happy with what he has done in Manchester and have confidence in him.

I am actually not particularly keen on him.

But he is not hard/far left. END OF.☺️

It is! I'm not Mystic Meg but I am her deputy!

He is a Bumping Weight Prick and anyone with more than four un-brainwashed brain cells (not including those wastrels-MPs and those members of the public -with something to gain from his Far left tenure) knows it!

There, there. Would you like a drink of water and a nice lie down?

I’m glad Starmer is out but this made me laugh.

For the op, you may feel jumped on but you’re running at 85% yanbu

Labour were only voted in because everyone was sick of the Conservatives and were persuaded by Keir Starmer and willing to give him a chance. There are many votes that were only because of him. As it turns out it's all been a car crash.

Democracy works by candidates and parties setting out their stall, their manifesto, what they believe in and the electorate voting for what they want.

It is not vote for Person A with their Person A Manisfesto and then by sleight of hand have Person Z with their Person Z Manisfesto and completely different policies swapped in.

I think it's appalling really. These men are so desperate for power that they think it's all fine. No one with any sense of decency or propriety would take the job of Prime Minister by the back door and THEN try to force through a whole wave of personal but completely different policies without any kind of mandate. That Andy Burnham is willing to take power like this and force in his hard left madness just shows how self-interested and lacking in decency he is. That the Labour party would allow it, is even worse.

The way the whole Labour party are sticking their tongues up his arse to try to get a cabinet role is revolting. It's made all the more egregious because Starmer stood on a 'clean up politics' platform.

It's truly emetic.

You're so witty! You should be on stage.

I imagine a lot of people will be glad of a glass of water and a nice lie down when they are working their balls off to pay for those, whom Andy wishes to woo for his Far Left Utopia, to lie back and do fuck all.

A glass of water and a nice lie down will be-for those poor saps-an aspiration.

The problem here, is that when Labour were delivering their manifesto, people whined too.

May as well be hung for a wolf as a sheep is a real philosophy.

What a twat in his tee shirt-a cut price Zelensky- who relies too much on his notes.

You can tell the words he's been told to emphasise because he quite often loses his place after doing it!

Is anyone swallowing this bollocks?

Let's have questions, you creep, instead of spouting unquestioned shite to your band of supporters.

His plans for devolution etc all need cost/benefit analysis done once he has access to all the data etc. he risks this looking like he’s rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic

these are long term plans though and he needs to come up with some short term plans to start improving things now or labour will be annihilated at the next election

Am listening to him right now. Think he needs to remember he's not representing Manchester or the NW any more. Hes representing the country. That means every region. SW, Scotland, Midlands and yes even London.

Hugely agree with this. Local devolution is not the solution to any of our pressing problems. It’s a huge and expensive project that is likely to only bear fruit, if it does, years or decades into the future.

If there is money to spend on local devolution I would much rather see that money spent on fixing our failing public services, defence, reversing employers’ NI contributions hike to encourage hiring, large-scale infrastructure projects to stimulate growth, taking failing utilities like water into public ownership, meaningfully addressing the underlying reasons so many are on sickness benefits, raising the personal allowance income tax threshold…

Basically the local devolution thing doesn’t even feature on the list of priorities we urgently need to address.

We need radical change and this is not it.

I think that he is further Left on trans issues, the new conversion practices draft bill allows parents to possibly be sent to prison for up to 5 years if they do not affirm the gender that their child thinks that they are, this is supported by him we are told.
He also was not supportive of single sex spaces:

“Women with gender-critical views in the Labour Party have called on Andy Burnham to publicly clarify his stance on transgender issues if he wants to win their trust.
Their calls come as it emerged that Burnham once dismissed the notion of single-sex spaces as a “minority view” and called for transgender women to be allowed to use female toilets.
Speaking at a meeting in 2022, the Greater Manchester mayor said he did not want to see “culture wars” between trans activists and “people supposedly advocating for women’s rights”.

Apart from that, I think that he is just another Left Wing Globalist, anti self -sufficiancy for the Country, pro- open boarders, pro- green agenda, pro- tax the rich and de-industrialise, I've read that Miatta Fahnbulleh is one of the “key figures in Andy Burnham’s inner circle”, said to be working on policy ideas for his potential government.

I'm glad that he wants to pay more attention to the North, but the worry is that it will just end up in bloated bureauocratic institutions that end up not making much difference.

Soros funded training school

He’s certainly not going to help labours woman problem

he has to be radical - improving public services isn’t about throwing more money at the problem. Maybe that can be part of the long term devolution plan.

It won’t matter - he’ll be gone as well in a couple of years. The whole country’s a shite show. Nobody’s got any patience to see anything through. Nobody’s allowed to make a mistake and rectify it because they’re hounded relentlessly by a media who need content 24/7.
Call me old fashioned and reactionary but the internet has a part in this instability.

There’s a recent interview where he says he supports the supreme court ruling. It’s clear he doesn’t particularly care about this issue and just accepts whatever position is likely to least annoy the public at the time.

IMO this is the correct stance on this issue, as well as being the one that most politicians hold. It’s an incredibly divisive sideshow that distracts from the real change governments should be implementing. And it’s now also been essentially resolved in any case due to the ruling