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Andy Burnham should be delivering Labours manifesto, not his own

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canthavetoomanylights · 29/06/2026 09:05

Fair enough, have your ideas on HOW to do it, but his plans to further devolution were not voted on. Surely this is wrong.

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Larrythecatforpm · 29/06/2026 09:07

General election should be called if he plans not to stick to rhe manifesto. Knew this would happen, he’s more left than Kier was.

GasPanic · 29/06/2026 09:22

I think he will largely stick to it, mainly because he has the possibility to do things outside the manifesto pledges without claiming he has broken it.

Manifestos aren't binding because circumstances can change. There is probably a claim that a lot has happened from an economic perspective since Starmer was elected.

However I think Burnham has indicated he won't go back on the election pledges, such as not raising income tax.

If he is smart then there are plenty of changes he can make to taxes for the good that aren't mentioned in the manifesto or even are mentioned but have been undercooked by Reeves. Such as CGT, inheritance tax, council tax. Reeves herself proposed changes to council tax but fluffed the opportunity and there a lot more things that could be changed along with these.

I think if he does make changes to manifesto pledges there will be a lot of pressure for an election and probably rightly so. I guess for him there is a question, does he hold an election before or after those changes.

I suspect a lot of things he is going to do will be for the good of the country and will actually be the right thing to do economically. But I also suspect they are going to annoy a lot of the richer people and generate a considerable amount of rage/media pressure.

Whatever changes he does do re tax he needs to focus on selling them hard to the people that benefit from them and explain why they are necessary, rather than doing what everyone else seems to do, suggest a policy and then just U turn when a few people on the internet complain about it. If you are going to do something do it for the right reasons and don't bottle it because the angry media doesn't like it.

Blimms · 29/06/2026 09:25

canthavetoomanylights · 29/06/2026 09:05

Fair enough, have your ideas on HOW to do it, but his plans to further devolution were not voted on. Surely this is wrong.

Where did he say his new plans wouldn’t be voted on by parliament?

Chritrup · 29/06/2026 09:29

Do you object to more devolution of powers from Westminster?

mumumental · 29/06/2026 09:32

Tbh it’s getting annoying now, so many people banging the drum for their agenda before he even takes power.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:33

Larrythecatforpm · 29/06/2026 09:07

General election should be called if he plans not to stick to rhe manifesto. Knew this would happen, he’s more left than Kier was.

Yes, we are having a hard left PM forced upon us. Get ready for the economy to obliterate after he's finished giving 56 per cent pay rises to those who shout the loudest.

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 09:34

Burnham is really, really not hard left.

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 09:37

Some people are never satisfied. They wanted Starmer out. They got what they wanted. Now they are whining even more.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:37

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 09:34

Burnham is really, really not hard left.

He's soft left in name only.

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 09:39

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:37

He's soft left in name only.

Where is your evidence? Which hard left policies has he introduced in Manchester?

Chritrup · 29/06/2026 09:42

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:37

He's soft left in name only.

You should maybe visit us in the hard left paradise that is Manchester. You can marvel at the capitalist funded towers that are going up on every piece of spare land available, the booming shops and businesses, and the integrated transport system that (for the most part) actually works properly.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:48

Chritrup · 29/06/2026 09:42

You should maybe visit us in the hard left paradise that is Manchester. You can marvel at the capitalist funded towers that are going up on every piece of spare land available, the booming shops and businesses, and the integrated transport system that (for the most part) actually works properly.

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Yes and the rest of us can marvel when devolution gives way for more wastage. All paid for by the tax payers who Labour despise. Opposed to capitalism except when it's used for self serving mayors.

SylvanMoon · 29/06/2026 09:49

canthavetoomanylights · 29/06/2026 09:05

Fair enough, have your ideas on HOW to do it, but his plans to further devolution were not voted on. Surely this is wrong.

Are you similarly incenses over all the manifesto pledges Starmer stood on and then changed or ignored? And what about the things he did that were nowhere in the manifesto? And going back, what about all the pledges Starmer stood on in order to get elected as Labour leader? How many of those did he break?
I'm not a Burnham fan, but a bit of honesty in terms of "your guy" would carry a lot more weight in your criticism here.

Stokes55 · 29/06/2026 09:52

Well, if he does (try) or if he doesn't, plenty of people will hate it, and the "Burnham Out" chants will surely follow soon. People want change, as long as there are no changes they don't like. We are rattling through PMs, which despite how much you surely hated one or more of the last handful, is probably the worst option of all.

I don't know the answer. I'm realising that there is probably not an answer - the population is so polarised and reactive as a whole now, and our politics follows. I hope we can find out collective "chill" in the coming years, but that doesn't seem likely ☹️

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:54

You can already see a new division within Labour and its voters. Which one is worst, Starmer or Burnham. Quite pitiful when it's the country's future at stake, not a comparison between football managers.

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 09:59

Stokes55 · 29/06/2026 09:52

Well, if he does (try) or if he doesn't, plenty of people will hate it, and the "Burnham Out" chants will surely follow soon. People want change, as long as there are no changes they don't like. We are rattling through PMs, which despite how much you surely hated one or more of the last handful, is probably the worst option of all.

I don't know the answer. I'm realising that there is probably not an answer - the population is so polarised and reactive as a whole now, and our politics follows. I hope we can find out collective "chill" in the coming years, but that doesn't seem likely ☹️

I think what is needed is someone who can give the public a message of hope.One of Starmer's mistakes I think was failing to be able to do that.

If Burnham can be honest about the difficulties we face, but communicate clearly what he will do, how what he does will change things for the better and when, he might have a chance. He is a better communicator than Starmer, which is a big plus.

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 10:00

@LuckyHazelFox still waiting for evidence that Burnham is far left...

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 10:04

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 09:39

Where is your evidence? Which hard left policies has he introduced in Manchester?

He is a vehement opponent of neoliberalism. It's going to be great having him overseeing a big pot of money for his vanity projects. Private industry is about to be kicked in the teeth and growth is going to be even more stifled. The public sector will be happy though.

BeardySchnauzer · 29/06/2026 10:09

He’s going to create a bigger north south divide

i would imagine Labour voters in deprived parts of the south are going to be pretty hacked off about that!

GreenFootstool · 29/06/2026 10:09

Chritrup · 29/06/2026 09:29

Do you object to more devolution of powers from Westminster?

Yes.

It's much more expensive to have multiple teams employed to manage the exact same things rather than centralise it.

It also results in disparities between areas with different approaches to basic policy matters.

National devolution of things like education and health has been an expensive cock up so far.

Regional devolution means council tax is going to go up and up to manage these things.

Pearlstillsinging · 29/06/2026 10:17

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:54

You can already see a new division within Labour and its voters. Which one is worst, Starmer or Burnham. Quite pitiful when it's the country's future at stake, not a comparison between football managers.

Far from that, it seems to me that AB has already managed to unite the Parliamentary Labour Party.
That's why no-one else has thrown their hat into the ring, they wouldn't get enough MPs to back them.
His critics would do well to visit Manchester and see what's happening where AB could influence it
Then compare to nearby areas, where he hasn't been able to influence change. You will see why he won the by-election so resoundingly.

LizardLore · 29/06/2026 10:21

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 09:33

Yes, we are having a hard left PM forced upon us. Get ready for the economy to obliterate after he's finished giving 56 per cent pay rises to those who shout the loudest.

You must know that when you make bonkers claims like Burnham being hard left it means no-one takes any subsequent posts of yours seriously?

Fair enough if you said he’s shaping up to be quite a bit to the left of Keir, and that’s not a position you support. That’s a perspective I’ll listen to with interest, whether I agree or not.

But “Andy Burnham is hard left” = ah okay this person is very silly and I shan’t bother reading their other posts

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 10:23

LuckyHazelFox · 29/06/2026 10:04

He is a vehement opponent of neoliberalism. It's going to be great having him overseeing a big pot of money for his vanity projects. Private industry is about to be kicked in the teeth and growth is going to be even more stifled. The public sector will be happy though.

So no actual examples then. He really is not hard left.

TemperanceWest · 29/06/2026 10:25

LizardLore · 29/06/2026 10:21

You must know that when you make bonkers claims like Burnham being hard left it means no-one takes any subsequent posts of yours seriously?

Fair enough if you said he’s shaping up to be quite a bit to the left of Keir, and that’s not a position you support. That’s a perspective I’ll listen to with interest, whether I agree or not.

But “Andy Burnham is hard left” = ah okay this person is very silly and I shan’t bother reading their other posts

I suppose if one is viewing Burnham from a extreme far right position, Burnham might seem hard left?

SadiraOfTyr · 29/06/2026 10:27

canthavetoomanylights · 29/06/2026 09:05

Fair enough, have your ideas on HOW to do it, but his plans to further devolution were not voted on. Surely this is wrong.

Nice try.

It's right there on page 40-41 of the 2024 Labour election manifesto: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Labour-Party-manifesto-2024.pdf

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