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How is this 'protest'? Helen Mirren targetted

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Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 12:19

A 'protestor' called Dame Helen Mirren an 'evil Zionist Bitch'. How does this actually help 'palestine'? AIBU

YANBU - this isn't protest and doesn't help palestine

YABU - this is protest and is ok

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15854799/Dame-Helen-Mirren-evil-Zionist-pro-Palestine.html

Moment Dame Helen Mirren is called an 'evil Zionist b****' in London

The video, first posted by an anonymous account Anti-Fascist Action UK, shows the Oscar-winning actress being approached as she walked in London with her husband.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15854799/Dame-Helen-Mirren-evil-Zionist-pro-Palestine.html

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balabusta · 28/05/2026 17:11

Boomer55 · 28/05/2026 17:09

It doesn’t. These protestors are just under educated idiots. 🙄

Performative too

inamarina · 28/05/2026 17:12

SpringIsCome · 28/05/2026 12:51

https://www.timesofisrael.com/helen-mirren-israel-must-exist-for-eternity-because-of-the-holocaust/

Helen thinks the Middle East needs to suffer because of European evil

Middle East suffers because a tiny Jewish state exists?

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:13

Boomer55 · 28/05/2026 17:09

It doesn’t. These protestors are just under educated idiots. 🙄

Some men take any excuse to shout.

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:15

inamarina · 28/05/2026 17:12

Middle East suffers because a tiny Jewish state exists?

No, because a state that happens to have ideas of religious destiny receives massive amounts of money and weaponry and does not feel safe unless bombing its neighbours apparently?

False framing and also inapplicable appeal to underdog sympathy.

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:15

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:05

Would you like to start a thread in the Conflict in the Middle East section?

Yes, it is wrong to shout at elderly women in the street.

It was not an antiZionist protest but an example of rage.
I blame the man's rage partly on our government's failure to lead.

I believe that the ICJ, UN, etc make considered and evidenced expert judgments, which are not the same as opinion.

I believe in the value of thought experiments, and do not accept a religious basis for the foundation of any modern state.

Helen Mirren suffering assault is an excuse for what to me looks like state propaganda on this thread. Hardly feminist.

He called her a zionist pitch. If that's not anti zionist. Codeword used by antisemitism is zionist, even Jeremy Corbyn agreed thst happens. It's wrong even though some people think its ok. It really isn't.

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balabusta · 28/05/2026 17:17

inamarina · 28/05/2026 17:12

Middle East suffers because a tiny Jewish state exists?

Ephraim Karsh explains very well why this is the case
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3187108

And in the meantime we're assured that if only israel didnt exist, there would be peace and harmony in the middle east...

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:23

balabusta · 28/05/2026 17:17

Ephraim Karsh explains very well why this is the case
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3187108

And in the meantime we're assured that if only israel didnt exist, there would be peace and harmony in the middle east...

"Abstract
Self-serving interventionism under the pretense of pan-Arab solidarity has transformed the bilateral Palestinian-Israeli dispute into a multilateral Arab-Israeli conflict, thereby stirring unrealistic hopes and expectations in Palestinian political circles and, at key junctures, inciting widespread and horrifically destructive violence. The consequence has been to increase the intensity of the conflict and make its resolution far more complex and tortuous, leaving the Palestinians stateless for seven decades."

Some don't appear to want to solve the problem. Seems easier to just hate Israel. Iran with its proxy terrorists constantly lobbing missiles from all directions at Israel.

Its sad.

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ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:24

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:15

He called her a zionist pitch. If that's not anti zionist. Codeword used by antisemitism is zionist, even Jeremy Corbyn agreed thst happens. It's wrong even though some people think its ok. It really isn't.

I do not take my cues from Jeremy Corbyn.

Antizionism is one of the forms of anticolonialism, for me. https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/anti-zionism-is-anti-colonialism-not-antisemitism/

Anyway, there are Zionists, including in Israel, who are critical of the current state and the killing and land grabs.

More than one thing can be true: Helen Mirren is a public figure with years of making public statements, and this is blowback. And it is always wrong for men or anyone to shout at elderly women. And individuals are losing their shit, both postpandemic and because of the immorality of current governments, the widening wealth gap, fear of climate catastrophe, etc.

Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Colonialism, Not Antisemitism

Supporters of Israeli genocide and illegal occupation of Palestinian Territories are quick to label any criticism as antisemitic, when it is in fact anti-genocide and anti-colonial.

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/anti-zionism-is-anti-colonialism-not-antisemitism/

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:28

Israel isn't only a Jewish state...there are indigenous Christians (often fleeing or being persecuted) and indigenous Muslims, and no doubt atheists, agnostics, mixed people, and more exotic migrants. Christians have dwindled from about 29% to about 2% over the last decades. Genocide is happening, also indirectly by starvation and sickness.

I do support a one state solution with safeguards.

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:28

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:24

I do not take my cues from Jeremy Corbyn.

Antizionism is one of the forms of anticolonialism, for me. https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/anti-zionism-is-anti-colonialism-not-antisemitism/

Anyway, there are Zionists, including in Israel, who are critical of the current state and the killing and land grabs.

More than one thing can be true: Helen Mirren is a public figure with years of making public statements, and this is blowback. And it is always wrong for men or anyone to shout at elderly women. And individuals are losing their shit, both postpandemic and because of the immorality of current governments, the widening wealth gap, fear of climate catastrophe, etc.

Was that after the genocide by Palestinians on Israelies or anyone that happened to in Israel at the festival or at the Kibbutz on October 7th?

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ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:30

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:28

Was that after the genocide by Palestinians on Israelies or anyone that happened to in Israel at the festival or at the Kibbutz on October 7th?

...was that after Operation Cast Lead?
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/gaza-operation-cast-lead/

...was that after Cain slew Abel?

...was that after the Fall?

Gaza: Operation 'Cast Lead'

It has been four years since the 2008-9 conflict in Gaza and Southern Israel ended. Despite clear evidence of war crimes committed by both sides in the 22-day conflict, the victims are yet to receive justice.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/gaza-operation-cast-lead/

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:31

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:28

Was that after the genocide by Palestinians on Israelies or anyone that happened to in Israel at the festival or at the Kibbutz on October 7th?

*was what after? 'That' in your question does not have a clear referent.

Yes, we are talking about Helen Mirren being shouted at recently. No time travel involved.

Goatsarebest · 28/05/2026 17:34

Presume prosecutions will be following

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:37

Goatsarebest · 28/05/2026 17:34

Presume prosecutions will be following

Hopefully.

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ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:38

@bloooooberry I am leaving this thread and going to kitchen duties, but thank you for your interventions and wish you a peaceful and good evening

inamarina · 28/05/2026 17:41

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 16:55

Repetition and word salad

How is word salad? I think pp’s points are quite clear.

inamarina · 28/05/2026 17:46

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:15

No, because a state that happens to have ideas of religious destiny receives massive amounts of money and weaponry and does not feel safe unless bombing its neighbours apparently?

False framing and also inapplicable appeal to underdog sympathy.

Israel bombs its peaceful neighbours for no reason whatsoever? Never been attacked by them?

SpaceRaccoon · 28/05/2026 17:47

The man has now been identified, and he has form. Horrible deranged prick, I hope he's arrested.

Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:49

ThisBirdOnThatRoof · 28/05/2026 17:30

...was that after Operation Cast Lead?
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/gaza-operation-cast-lead/

...was that after Cain slew Abel?

...was that after the Fall?

Was it after numerous countries invaded Israel persuading people to get out of the way before launching the war promising all land once they beat Israel. They lost the war. People often lose wars, when they start it, well there you go.

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Blueredyellowgreen · 28/05/2026 17:50

SpaceRaccoon · 28/05/2026 17:47

The man has now been identified, and he has form. Horrible deranged prick, I hope he's arrested.

Form for hatred, antisemitism or just an all round nasty.

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OonaStubbs · 28/05/2026 17:53

There should be laws against anti-semitism. It is really getting out of hand at the moment.

GeneralPeter · 28/05/2026 18:00

bloooooberry · 28/05/2026 16:30

They wouldn't be racist attacks, just like antizionism isn't antisemitism. 'Semantics' matter!

Semantics often matter a lot, and you are welcome to argue for the concepts and conceptions you find most useful or truthful. I'm sure you aren't "confused" to learn that people debate those all the time and don't all have the same set. Anyway, we are talking about another poster's cognitive limitations (if we take them at their word), which doesn't seem very nice, so let's pause it there.

Nogimachi · 28/05/2026 18:03

It’s quite appalling to call/refer to another adult like that.

OonaStubbs · 28/05/2026 18:19

These people are mentally disturbed and the anti-semitism is just a convenient outlet for their rage.