No colonial powers gave anyone anything. Unlike, say, Jordan which was literally created out of mandatory Palestine by the Brits (fact). Like I said, totally inaccurate and weird comparison.
And its not about belief, its about facts.
Jews were forcibly expelled from their homeland. Fact.
Jews always prayed and wanted to return. Fact.
Many jews did return over the years under ottoman and British rule (and previosily depending who ruled - never ever palestinian btw). Fact.
The return of the Jews to their homeland could easily have been done without conflcit with compromise and agreement. Fact.
Many Arabs themselves migrated to mandatory Palestine from other surrounding countries due to the economic success as a result of Jewish migration. Fact.
The brits did promise at different times to give the land to Arabs or Jews. In the end, they handed the problem to a UN commission which proposed partition. Fact.
Palestinian jews accepted UN proposed partition, Palestinians Arabs rejected any Jewish self determination in mandatory Palestine, no compromise. Fact.
Civil war began. Fact.
Brits had enough trying to contain the civil.and just unilaterally. left. On the day they departed,.Palestinian zionsits declared the state of Israel. Palestinian Arabs don't (they could have, the brits had upped and gone). Fact
So turn those facts into a "thought experiment "
ThisBirdOnThatRoof ·
28/05/2026 16:40
No it isn't mockery. Try it.
If people had a sincerely held belief about a valuable part of England to which they also had ancestral links 1000 plus years ago, what would we do if it were given to them by vast foreign military powers?
Palestinians are indigenous. Europeans and Americans do not have right to indigenous homes.
Do you also support return of New York and other lands to First Nations?
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balabusta ·
28/05/2026 16:36
Your "thought experiment" is nothing but deriding and mocking Jewish claims to the land by making a ridiculous and totally inaccurate comparison which shows your bias and agenda. Jews are indigenous to Israel, they didnt ask to be expelled. The arch of Titus is there for.a reason.
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ThisBirdOnThatRoof ·
28/05/2026 16:31
A thought experiment is not mockery. Try it.
And it could happen if the Odinists get their act together.
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balabusta ·
28/05/2026 16:27
Yeah, except none of this is happening. Israel is the Jewish people's ancestral homeland from where they were forcibly expelled. Jews have always longed and prayed to return to zion.
The Arabs have many times been offered a compromise state and refused. They didnt want to share or recognise competing claims.
You can support Palestinians rights without mocking and deriding Jewish claims to the land. The tragedy is both israelis and Palestinians have a right to self determination and to live in that land and the only reasonable way is compromise.
BTW fun fact. When Jordan ruled Jerusalem from 1948-1967 (and didnt establish a Palestinian state in west bank btw) not only did they expel every single Jew, they also forbade Jews praying at the western wall. In fact, any foreigner visiting that site had to prove they weren't Jewish,.it was that important to them. Did you know that? If not, you're welcome.
ThisBirdOnThatRoof ·
28/05/2026 15:35
Israel/Palestine is also the cradle of Abrahamic religions and the holy places of Christians and Muslims are being destroyed or misappropriated or turned into museums. We have a direct stake if we are from those backgrounds.
Thought experiment: if a genuinely historically persecuted pagan minority existed in the Netherlands or Scandinavia and arrived in Britain and claimed the Cotswolds with Chinese or Russian backing on the basis of ancestral links and a religion most of us do not follow, how would we feel?
And would our boys be resistance heroes?