Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Oh me too!

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e7a64925-b21e-4e3d-ada1-598f6f39a5a5?shareToken=ca7159c54fe0d86b5e7aa057c324501f&ver=article

In the times as well....

Trouser toilets

This isn't even what Focus Groups tell them to think. The polling is clear that most people don't want men in women's toilets.

It's what activists in his own party are telling him to think. Potentially even some donors, who knows?

Oh dear. He'll be out before he's even in. Wanker.

you have it backwards.

I shall forever refer to them as the trouser toilets.

Quite a few places now have unisex loos. Personally I’m quite happy to use them. And I wish they had them at e.g. the Albert Hall, where you can guarantee massive long queues for the ladies’, and a fraction of that for the men.
I dare say a good many theatres/venues are the same.

Thing is if you use unisex toilets you of course expect to see blokes in there. If you use women's toilets you don't. It's simple imo.

I'd use them if desperate but not out of choice purely because men's public loos stink so I can imagine unisex do too if they piss everywhere.

If all single sex communal toilets are replaced with single occupancy unisex toilets then the queues are going to be longer for everyone. There will be fewer toilets as the single occupancy toilets take up more room and they will take longer to use.

I hope you explained to him! Including pointing out that many men don't bother to wash their hands.

Even if only 5% of women feel this way, why do their feelings count for less than those of the <1% of men who identify as trans?

Voting currently 84% / 16% against his opinion. So that's not a small minority of the women here Andy! And the women on Mumsnet must be a fairish representation of women in the general population otherwise why would policiticans pay us so much attention?

This.

Oh I hope a journalist puts this to him.

A man assuming he knows what all women think, the bloody arrogance of him.

I'm also part of that 'minority'

Exactly. Men who just want to pee get take about 2 mins. Don’t need a stall. Once you force them to use the stalls then it slows everything down. They also leave the loos in a state. At my last work with unisex loos the women had to launch a mass complaint about the state men were leaving them. (And yes it was the men unless women were able to pee all over the back of the toilet seat and leave giant skid marks in the bowl-personal never seen anything like it in the women’s loos).

I bet Starmer is pissing himself laughing at this enormous clanger dropped even before said fake by election.

I hope so too. Once again, women's voices don't count.

It’s a typo - they’re “for the men”

Some proper data on this would be useful. It bothers me. Biological men should not be in women's loos. However, it surprises me how many women I talk to who don't see it as an issue.

Depressing, as I was hoping to have someone decent to vote for should he become the next Labour leader. Into the bin he goes, with all the rest 😞

I wouldn't care if a trans woman, or for that matter, a man, was using the women's toilets as long as they weren't behaving inappropriately. And then the issue would be that they were behaving inappropriately rather than that they were trans/a man.

Could anyone who voted YABU explain why allowing women and girls some female single sex spaces is unreasonable?

He absolutely needs more heat on this as well.