ICE agent shoots woman in the face.

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It had to happen; in Minneapolis a woman in a car was shouting at the multiple ICE agents. One tried to open her car door, she started to drive away and was shot 2 (3? 4?) times in the head.

Trump is blaming her. Fucking hell.

EDIT BY MNHQ - Though the footage of this incident is in the public domain, we have removed the link originally included in this thread as we believe it could cause distress.

Whose words could have caused real harm to innocent people. Totally different situation. Stop reaching.

"And people protesting ICE are preventing dangerous criminals from being apprehended some of whom have engaged in high level VAWG and murder"

But you didn't say that. You said dangerous criminals. Being an illegal immigrant does not make you a dangerous criminal.

But your point was that people are preventing ICE from deporting dangerous criminals. When it's pointed out that 75% have no criminal convictions, you switch to, but they're illegal immigrants, reverting your own logic.

Which is it?

And to add the only way something like this would be acceptable if she was like someone who had just shot up a mall or school and was escaping or something like that.

Surely no one bar the mad MAGA followers is defending this. Absolutely horrific

What ‘agenda’ is that?

Why is it when a right wing person has an extreme opinion, it’s an ‘agenda’ but when it’s a left wing person it’s a sincerely held and genuine belief?

Is it beyond your worldview to believe somebody can have a view that’s offensive or even outrageous, that it must be in fact part of an ‘agenda’ which you never actually specify?

What conservatives ?

Both.

I didn’t say ALL of them are criminals. I said they prevent criminals being deported which is fact. It doesn’t need to be one or the other because both are reasons for deportation, and valid ones.

All of Trump's supporters and everyone on this thread making excuses for cold-blooded murder.

I’m a conservative and I think this was illegal force.

Just to be absolutely clear.

At least you know your views are extreme and offensive, I guess.

Those of us who work in health care, justice services, education, social work have probably been threatened more times than we can count, assaulted and frightened by members of the public of all ages and races.

If I murdered everyone who has ever frightened me in a professional setting I’d be a serial killer.

She didn’t have to die

I suppose at least we are in agreement that Donald Trump is perverting the course of justice with his statements about the shooting.

My repeated belief that this was an unjustified act? Or my belief that illegal immigrants have no right to be in the country and should be deported?

That is a really sad read 😢

Well by that logic, people are also protecting innocent people, many of whom have done nothing wrong (other than having the wrong colour skin), and some of whom are in the US legally, from being pepper sprayed, zip tied, wrongfully held in dangerous and squalid conditions, and deported to foreign concentration camps.

But it is happening here. In a more subtle way. People in my locality are urging the RNLI not to save those in the water. Repeatedly and gleefully.

Ah, sorry. I thought you were someone else!

I agree that obviously not all conservatives think this killing was justified. But those who do think it was justified are almost certainly conservatives.

There is already a lot of evidence from the videos that the bystanders took as well as many eye witness accounts. It shows clearly that she was maliciously murdered. There are many slo mo accounts that illustrate that . Some posted here on this thread . Others in reputable newspapers.

They’re probably all conservatives, but remember ‘conservative’ is a broad brush and the Overton window has moved. So it now means everyone who is a centrist or any further right than that.

In the same way ‘left wing’ can mean somebody who believes in the NHS, it can also mean a paid up communist.

It IS fucking disgusting. Is that the solution to everything in America??? SHOOT?? She didn't do ANYTHING to justify that. Even in a big vehicle those agents had plenty of room to move. They are trigger happy and it's not the first time it's happened! What they did at The Capitol was far far worse and look half of them have been pardoned! If you can't see how fucked up Trump is and his leckies, you are a huge part of the problem too and I reiterate it will be interesting to see how you will react if a war does start. Practice what you preach if you're that brave.

I have zoomed into the frame by frame footage, focussing on his feet very closely, and at NO time are his feet lifted off the ground. He side steps to avoid the car. I’ve tried saving the clip as a gif but still too large for Mumsnet.

He DID NOT get lifted off the ground by an impact . It categorically did NOT happen.

Also, he clearly shot the first shot after he was well clear of the vehicle, and then two more shots from the side while stepping after the vehicle. He wanted to kill her.

Agree

@walllaw thank you for posting that.

RIP Renee Good. Many of us want justice for you and pray that you get it, despite Trump and his thugs.

Yes, she did. He didn't jump into the path of an already moving vehicle. The car moved towards him and made contact with him...after she'd been told to get out.

I do feel very sorry for her. The USA is a mental place in general with all these guns. But tbh, with all you see in the media you'd have to be fucking bonkers to not immediately comply with an instruction from gun carrying officers. Absolutely crazy to ignore when they're shouting at you to get out of the car.

Look what happened when he was allegedly shot? Hysteria, everyone is to blame, everyone loses their passport, he's right about everything. Maybe if it happens again, the same people saying her murdered was justified can say the same for him.