Mumsnet censorship

[anonymouselephantx]

Mumsnet has been deleting any comment at all that criticises Charlie Kirk... just because he has died does not mean he is infallible. He is still an evil person who did and said evil things, contributed to so much suffering of families at the hands of ICE etc., mocked the Palestinians undergoing a genocide? Mumsnet, disturbing much? I had to get MN by email to delete a thread of mine as I was getting bullied and people were making personal attacks against me (the talk guidelines say personal attacks will be deleted, yet I had to BEG for this), but they are censoring anything anyone says about Charlie Kirk? Why are we not allowed to have freedom of speech and freedom to debate, especially when it is someone who did and said SO MUCH EVIL!

Nope, I watched the full debate when it came out.

In the end, we have to get to a place where these views, different as they are, can co exist.

Exactly. This is a man who would have likely advocated for violence against me, as a bisexual woman who doesn’t want children.

Well it does. It's about showing a bit of restraint and kindness. Think of his family if nothing else.

Doesn't hating so much drain you a little bit?

I have never heard of him until yesterday, but no one should be murdered for having opinions. No one! The people celebrating this are vile and probably the same people who are against the death penalty for violent murderers. Seeing the reactions from some people has made me very scared for the world and freedom of speech.

Did he advocate violence though? What actual words did he use?

That’s a really unfair and frankly offensive comparison. I never said “all religious people” are evil. I was talking specifically about Charlie Kirk and the things he personally did and said.
Plenty of religious people (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever) hold progressive, compassionate views and actively fight for equality. Lumping whole faith communities together as “anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-abortion” is stereotyping and it’s not ok. Grouping all Muslims into one stereotype is actually crazy.

You've said this a few times. Could you post evidence of him mocking the death of palestinian children.

I disagreed with practically every word that fell out of his mouth.
He was just murdered.
Let’s give it a rest.

He didn’t.

Yes and so would many on the Christian right because they believe that all abortion is wrong.

I disagree with them wholeheartedly but those are the views of many.

He was asked this question deliberately by someone who wanted to bring his child into the debate.

All you need to do is look up his name + Palestine. You can see all the awful things he has said. When Netanyahu himself is a fan of you, be concerned (that's just a side note).

He boasted afterwards to the other passengers as he walked down the train, ‘I got the white lady!’

The Left only view racism as a one way street.

Thanks.

The @anonymouselephantx has claimed he did, hence my request for evidence. So @anonymouselephantx will you show evidence of your claims or just keep claiming it.

You have said he is evil because of his beliefs regarding trans, LGBT and abortion. I asked if you think other religions who have similar beliefs are 'evil' too.
That is not stereotyping it is a simple question.

You haven't answered my question.

He did not come out and just say it.

You have ignored the context.

The irony in you asking why we cannot debate or have free speech on a post you claim you had to get a thread deleted because you didn’t like people wrote is hilarious.

Especially when you call a man whose entire personality was to campaign for free speech and the right to debate, ‘evil’.

You said 'Muslims are anti-gay, anti-women, etc...'

Are you aware that when YOU make a claim the onus is on YOU to substantiate it, not on others to go check what you claim. So again, can you evidence what YOU are claiming?

Well, at least you're consistent. And you definitely have a narrative.

As is stands, do I think this was anti free speech? Less so than I think it was anti 'views we don't like so we're going to shoot the man'.

I'm not in the US, so the politicisation of gun deaths isn't something that resonates with me.

And as it stands, I consider myself neither left nor right - I'm politically ambidextrous. I have my views on many issues and where they land is where they land

He didn’t MOCK it. He supported Israel’s stance on Gaza. A lot of people do.
I don’t.
He didn’t deserve to be shot for it.

Why? He didn’t give it a rest when schoolchildren were shot in their classrooms. He said that they were a consequence of the second amendment and it had to happen.

There’s no irony. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to launch personal attacks. I had a thread deleted because people were breaking MN’s own rules by targeting me personally not because they disagreed with my opinion. That’s not “debate,” that’s bullying. They actually broke the rules of the thread.
And as for Charlie Kirk being some champion of “free speech” - let’s be real. He wasn’t defending everyone’s right to speak, he was defending the voices and platforms that aligned with his politics, while trying to silence or discredit others. Calling that out doesn’t make me anti–free speech, it makes me honest about who he was and what he did.

Oh give over.