Mumsnet censorship

[anonymouselephantx]

Mumsnet has been deleting any comment at all that criticises Charlie Kirk... just because he has died does not mean he is infallible. He is still an evil person who did and said evil things, contributed to so much suffering of families at the hands of ICE etc., mocked the Palestinians undergoing a genocide? Mumsnet, disturbing much? I had to get MN by email to delete a thread of mine as I was getting bullied and people were making personal attacks against me (the talk guidelines say personal attacks will be deleted, yet I had to BEG for this), but they are censoring anything anyone says about Charlie Kirk? Why are we not allowed to have freedom of speech and freedom to debate, especially when it is someone who did and said SO MUCH EVIL!

It being the view of many doesn’t make it okay?

This!

Wdym give over? He spent his whole life fighting against the LGBT community.

Your spurious claim that he’d would have been fine with violence against you, a claim you can’t substantiate.

I said
'Tbf op lots of religious people have extreme views that you won't agree with. I think Muslims for example are very anti gay, anti trans, anti abortion. Are they all evil too?'

That is not stereotyping it is stating that his religious views may differ to yours but it does not make him evil. If it does are all religions evil?

This.
Have we seen evidence of this mocking murdered children yet?

I think you must be having comprehension issues as I have not said the view is okay.

I have simply pointed out the context.

People who hold that view believe that all abortion is evil.

I may not agree with them but it doesn't mean that they don't have the right to hold that view.

They certainly don't deserve to die for holding that view. Debate is what we need not violence.

What makes your views OK?

Why are yours the only acceptable ones?

Generally I think views that endorse stripping portions of society of their rights shouldn’t be accepted as normal.

Exactly! I find his views abhorrent, but I don’t want to live in a world where people are murdered for having different views to mine. If we want to live in democratic societies we have to accept free speech and a plurality of opinions, even ones we profoundly disagree with.

Back in medieval times they burnt people at the stake for having the ‘wrong’ beliefs. Then the enlightenment happened and ‘I disagree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it’ prevailed. It really feels like we’re going backwards and people using his murder for left/right point scoring are very much part of the problem.

You might not realise it, but what you said is stereotyping. Saying “For example I think Muslims are very anti gay, anti trans, anti abortion” paints an entire religion- over a billion people worldwide with one brush. That’s the very definition of a generalisation.
There are Muslims (just like Christians, Jews, atheists, and everyone else) who hold a huge range of views including progressive ones. Reducing a whole faith community to “anti-X” erases that diversity and feeds into harmful stereotypes.
My point was about Charlie Kirk’s specific actions and campaigns, not about religion as a whole.

Ive just seen a clip of someone telling his he is very anti trans and he said no I'm just pro reality. What's wrong with that it isn't hate, he didn't mock or sneer.

Totally agree with this

In the same way he apparently advocated for the stoning of gay people?

You could have picked from the many things Charlie Kirk has said to denigrate him. You don’t need to start making things up.

He literally sat debating with anyone who wished to. The fact that his views don’t align with yours doesn’t make that fact any less so. He debated - he gave people with opposing views to his an actual platform to debate with him ie encouraging their right to free speech.

So you’d agree that stripping away someone’s right to free speech (without fear of being murdered for it) should not be accepted, yes?

I’d like for you to apologise for that lie.

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-campaign-partner-charlie-kirk-called-being-gay-an-error-praised-stoning-to-death

As I have said - I don’t think his assassination is correct.

No. He just had opinions that some other people didn’t agree with.

People need to get the fuck over that. They are all for free speech until someone says something they don’t like.

There are many millions of conservative religious types, from all religions across the world, that have similar views to him. He's not some kind of wild outlier. Neither is the Christian right in the US a wild outlier when it comes to conservative values.

We have to find a way of co-existing peacefully with those who hold different views to us.

That didn’t answer my question.

So ironic that the op seems so consumed with intolerance yet thinks this poor murdered man was 'evil'.

When will some people realise we can all hold opposing views and that does not make us good or evil, it makes us different and that is fine.

So, 'celebrating murdered kids' and 'advocating stoning LGBT' any evidence thus far?

He was quoting a verse from the bible?

If you think he is advocating for gay people to be stoned to death, you really need to engage your brain and rewatch that video.

No and they’ll not find any either.