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Mumsnet has been deleting any comment at all that criticises Charlie Kirk... just because he has died does not mean he is infallible. He is still an evil person who did and said evil things, contributed to so much suffering of families at the hands of ICE etc., mocked the Palestinians undergoing a genocide? Mumsnet, disturbing much? I had to get MN by email to delete a thread of mine as I was getting bullied and people were making personal attacks against me (the talk guidelines say personal attacks will be deleted, yet I had to BEG for this), but they are censoring anything anyone says about Charlie Kirk? Why are we not allowed to have freedom of speech and freedom to debate, especially when it is someone who did and said SO MUCH EVIL!

Of course you can.

Advocating for people to be stoned is a form of violence. Advocating for women to have their rights stripped is violence. It may not be physical, but it can be violence.

you are not voicing indifference though!

'Hun', unlike you, I actually do know who he is- I’ve known of him for nearly a decade. He wasn’t some harmless talking head on TV. He openly said that if his own daughter were raped, he’d force her to carry the pregnancy to full term and give birth to her rapist’s child. He’s funneled the money he made into organisations that actively campaign against immigrants, trans people, and gay people. He mocked Palestinians even while thousands were dying.
So please don’t tell me he didn’t have “an evil side” when you admit you’d never even heard of him until today. If you don’t know his track record, fine - but don’t dismiss those of us who do.

he believed gay people should be stoned to death

Did he actually say this?

If a Muslim was the one saying these things, they would be classed as violent though.

These types of people will argue that verbal abuse is not abuse.

He said he agrees with the lord’s law or some shit.

I think that’s violence. Same as saying you’d force your daughter to carry a baby if she was a victim of rape is violence to me

When we resort to murdering people for having different views to our own we are no longer a free nation.

When we celebrate the death of someone whose views we disagree with, we no longer agree with free speech.

Isn't what makes the likes of the UK and the USA and other 1st World nations great places is that we have freedom of speech, freedom to think how we want, freedom to have different views. Freedom to debate those differing views.

We aren't like North Korea or China where having a different view would get you imprisoned or killed. Where you tow the tyrants line or else.

People comparing the man to Hitler have no fucking clue.

Well, quite. If his views were rooted in Islamic belief and not Christian, they’d be shutting them down.

I'm allowed to share my views as are you.

You can criticise his views but to label someone who has just been murdered as evil is not nice is it?

Gay people should be stoned?
That one passed me by…

A guy was just murdered. When did we lose our sense of decorum, kindness and common sense? All this “he showed no kindness, so why should I?” Is that what we’ve become? If they go low, we go lower?
What a nasty way to conduct ourselves.

So he didn't say he believes gay people should be stoned to death. Okay.

Show me where he advocated for gay people to be stoned to death!

Ah right, so you're just jumping on the right-wing talking point de jour by blaming this particular act of US gun violence as a "free speech!!??!!1!" thing.

Usually the right are vehemently against politicising gun deaths in the US but I guess this one doesn't count for some reason.

'When we resort to murdering people for having different views to our own we are no longer a free nation'

This with bells on.

I feel for his wife and children. This is tragic.

But in his own words, empathy isn’t something he believes in. When children were shot in schools he said that their deaths were a consequence of the second amendment, and “unfortunately” they had to happen. I’m not going to sit here and pretend that just because he is dead his views are palatable and okay.

No one here is saying he should have been murdered for his views. That’s not what I believe, and it’s not what I’ve said. What I’m saying is that I don’t feel the need to mourn him. There’s a big difference between killing someone for their speech (which I oppose) and simply not grieving when someone who spent their life spreading harmful rhetoric is gone.
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, and it also doesn’t mean everyone has to respect or care about the people exercising it. I respect the principle of free speech but I also reserve the right to judge how someone used their platform.
When I said “karma is a bitch,” I wasn’t saying he deserved to be murdered or that anyone should be killed for their views. What I meant is that it’s ironic, he spent years defending guns and brushing off the real harm they cause, even calling those deaths an “acceptable cost.” And then he himself was killed by the very thing he spent his career justifying.
That’s karma to me:...when the values you push out into the world come back around. I can recognise that irony without celebrating his death. I just don’t feel the need to mourn someone who never showed empathy for victims of gun violence.

He was killed by the world he himself fought to create.

Whether he was just killed or not does not change what he spent his life saying and doing???

But that doesn’t explain why you would bother to post in the first place if you felt so indifferent about the matter. You’re saying you feel indifferent and I’m saying I don’t believe you.

@GasperyJacquesRoberts Haven't you just posted something very similar on another thread?

He openly said that if his own daughter were raped, he’d force her to carry the pregnancy to full term and give birth to her rapist’s child.

Did he actually just volunteer this as his opening gambit on abortion or was he questioned directly and personally about the strengths of his beliefs?

There are many on the Christian right who would also think this if pressed. Rather like the Jehovah's witnesses who would deny their child a blood transfusion.

For clarity I am pro abortion, any time for any reason. But I think you are missing a LOT of context.

Tbf op lots of religious people have extreme views that you won't agree with. I think Muslims for example are very anti gay, anti trans, anti abortion etc .

Are they all evil too?

I’m not going “lower,” I’m just refusing to extend empathy to a man who spent his career stripping it away from others- including victims of gun violence, immigrants, LGBTQ+ people, and Palestinians.
Kindness and compassion matter, but they’re not infinite. I choose to direct mine toward people and communities who actually need it, not toward someone who openly dismissed empathy as weakness.

...and?

I think many have now become immune to murder, rape, torture, violence, child abuse and so on, since it is not happening to us personally. It is easy to detach and turn off the news and say OMG not again or similar, and then move on to something inane on TV or Netflix. I am guilty as charged I'm afraid at this stage.

That doesn't mean I am not saddened by the extreme violence and lack of respect for life that I see in the awful things that are happening around me, but I often feel disempowered. There is very little (if nothing) I can do about it personally and mulling over it or engaging in tit for tat debates is useless now.

We have elected our politicians to act on our behalf. They may not be what we expected, and may not live up to our personal expectations of what we believe, but IMV it's best to leave it to them in these fraught times. Whether I can or not, I don't feel I personally have any power over it.

I feel for the bereaved, the survivors, and the damaged in all cases involving violence and murder. All of them.

He was asked to clarify if he would force his ten year old daughter to carry a baby if she was raped and he said he would.