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Racist Threads

287 replies

PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/08/2025 13:11

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I thought AIBU would be ok. I am not running this as a poll, because I don't care about anyones opinions on the matter. And if anyone wants to respond with more racism, don't bother because I won't be engaging for even a second.

Right at the moment this site is not being overrun by racists because MNHQ has determined that there are no racists on the site and it's abuse to tell anyone they are a racist (even when they are). However, there are multiple threads expressing racism every single day, all rehearsing the same old misinformation and bogus narratives. Not one of those posters want to engage - they become abusive and offensive if anyone produces remotely evidenced facts. Their "facts" are the only truthful facts. Everyone else is a "woman hating woke leftist". Which is apparently not abus, according to MNHQ. MNHQ have made is abundantly clear that they will not moderate misinformation, and are blithely happy to allow most abuse to stand.

Here's the thing - there's pretty much nobody on those threads that is genuinely interested in having a discussion or debating information. There is nobody jumping on those threads saying that they don't really understand the different views and positions and would like to know more. Unsurprising, anyone who actually wants to explore the issue, the absolute last place to look to do that would be yet another toxic thread here. Probably the only good thing is that it really is highly unlikely anyone with a real curiousity about the subject would look to form opinions based on the toxic formula of MN.

The only thing that these threads are good for is clicks and ££££'s in the bank for Justine and the site.

So anti-racists - I suggest that we all stop answering these threads altogether. I know it is hard to see the racism stand (although apparently not for the owners of the site or the moderators) unchallenged, but every single challange does nothing but feed the flames and earn money for MN. You all know that the people who are not racists will spend 20% of their posts posting misinformation and 80% posting goady barbs and personal insults, just to keep the threads going. It will be incredibly boring for them if they only have each other to talk to. The threads will die without oxygen. And MN makes no money out of clicks that haven't happened. It's a win all around.

And if you want to do something proactive, instead of engaging with people who aren't going to listen, why not raise your concerns about the racism with the advertisers? They are being associated with it by their presence, and are clearly far more likely to influence the owners of the site than the people posting on it.

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Fizzer5 · 27/08/2025 19:24

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 18:39

It was an appropriate diversion to you trying to blame asylum seekers for expensive fossil fuels !

No it wasn't a an attempt at blame. I was highlighting the costs we faced associated with the every day life already
The incomers will make life worse. That we should not have to afford.

WhereIsMyJumper · 27/08/2025 19:24

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

I agree. Why the need to state something that you should already be?! I wouldn’t wear a t-shirt that says “I don’t murder people”

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 18:45

I would, but many of the ones I have seen personally I have reported and have been deleted by MNHQ for being racist and/or hate speech.

You can confirm with MNHQ that this is the case if you wish as they probably will remember. Dawn deleted about 5 in a row at one point.

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

BurntBroccoli · 27/08/2025 19:27

Whatafustercluck · 27/08/2025 14:11

Me too.

Simply put a 💐 after every post that's racist/ offensive/ massively overstepping. Instead of the good old fashioned mumsnet biscuit. Suggest doing the same with painted roundabout too!

We could use a lemon emoji signifying the sour and bitter nature of the post?
🍋

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 19:28

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 19:23

And they may not. The Sahara is greening actually both due to natural geological cycles as well as higher CO2. This stuff isn’t really as predictable as you think.

Not really greening. Parts of the Sahel had unusual rain patterns (climate change), but there is no evidence of a systematic reversal of desertification.

borisjohnsonsforgottencondom · 27/08/2025 19:30

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 19:02

Indeed. Racism is illegal. And it is NOT subjective. If it was, the only person's opinion who would matter is the victim subjected to racism. People like to call it bias this and unconscious that. It is RACISM and the person saying it is racist, however aghast they feel about being called out on it.

You’re right racism isn’t illegal, but what counts as racism is highly subjective.

Priti Patel being called a coconut is an example of this. Many said it was racism, many said it wasn’t.

CaptainMyCaptain · 27/08/2025 19:31

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

Some people don't have that privilege as the racism finds them.

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 19:32

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

🐿

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:32

We have had people come on this thread and others saying they no longer feel safe or welcome on MN. That's deeply saddening, is ignored by the crowing 'PROVE THERE IS RACISM' posters who show almost zero empathy and rather proves that their perception is that there is racism is valid.

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 19:36

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

I think your normal and my normal are two very different normals tbh.

I absolutely do feel the need to show black and brown people that I SEE them and their experiences.

noblegiraffe · 27/08/2025 19:38

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 17:38

No , in the end that isn't what happened. HQ moved The Staffroom out of Active Threads to minimise pile ons, as many of the worst threads for aggressive visitors were posted initially in Staffroom. Most teachers then more or less left the Staffroom and many MN altogether.

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On to a better place Wink

Those daffodils really pissed people off though, they really wanted to wind up teachers and it really saved us a lot of mental effort replying over and over to the same shit.

nomas · 27/08/2025 19:42

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

Anti-racist means not looking the other way. So when your friend uses the N word or P word you actually call them out on it rather than just laughing it off.

It’s not a badge, just a decent thing to do.

Fizzer5 · 27/08/2025 19:42

MN has always had a robust attitude to most subjects, would you like it softer

EchoedSilence · 27/08/2025 19:42

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

🍰

Where is that scone emoji when you need it.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:44

Fizzer5 · 27/08/2025 19:42

MN has always had a robust attitude to most subjects, would you like it softer

Think many people would like there not to be any racism left standing , yes, obviously.

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:44

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nomas · 27/08/2025 19:45

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

No, it’s more exhausting never knowing where the next racist person is going to pop
out from. Most people are decent but the minority of racists mean BAME people can never let down their guard.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:45

That is not remotely a response to what Captain said or meant.

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 19:45

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:32

We have had people come on this thread and others saying they no longer feel safe or welcome on MN. That's deeply saddening, is ignored by the crowing 'PROVE THERE IS RACISM' posters who show almost zero empathy and rather proves that their perception is that there is racism is valid.

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There is zero to gain in trying to prove to a racist that they are in fact, you know, racist. Go figure.

I often get a rough time on here, more so in the past as I tend to stay away these days. I have something to prove, I'm obtuse, I'm patronising, I'm a misogynist for calling a woman a Karen etc...

This is always from the whataboutery, I'm not racist but, you can't say anything these days kind of people.

I do not care about them on the internet. At all. IDGAF. I do care about them working in schools, in nursery's and in the health care, police etc. And that is where I will focus my efforts.

nomas · 27/08/2025 19:46

EchoedSilence · 27/08/2025 19:42

🍰

Where is that scone emoji when you need it.

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🥮

What about this over baked scone.

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:46

nomas · 27/08/2025 19:42

Anti-racist means not looking the other way. So when your friend uses the N word or P word you actually call them out on it rather than just laughing it off.

It’s not a badge, just a decent thing to do.

Yes but where are all these threads on MN with N or P word being used? They never existed, did they?

BurntBroccoli · 27/08/2025 19:46

TeenagersAngst · 27/08/2025 17:18

I have a view on this. All these people have already passed through several safe countries before making a trip which actually puts them in danger - the Channel crossing.

If they are fleeing from danger and seeking safety, why do they do this? We know why - their economic prospects are probably better in the UK maybe because of language, connections already established in the UK. So surely that turns them from asylum seekers into economic migrants.

None of these people need to flee France unless we're saying France isn't safe?

Now, I know the law isn't written in this way and that they are perfectly entitled to seek asylum in a safe country of their choosing. But I think people feel that what they're doing is something different to seeking asylum based on what I've said above.

But why should France and other countries take refugees due to the simple matter of geography.

The UK is part of the 1951 Refugee Convention and we must do our fair share of trying to make life better for people in need.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:47

This is not meant to be insulting

Yes, yes, it is.

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:47

nomas · 27/08/2025 19:45

No, it’s more exhausting never knowing where the next racist person is going to pop
out from. Most people are decent but the minority of racists mean BAME people can never let down their guard.

Do you speak for all minorities?

nomas · 27/08/2025 19:47

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:46

Yes but where are all these threads on MN with N or P word being used? They never existed, did they?

That was just an example. Racism on MN comes in a multitude of ways.