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Rip the flags down! A call for action!

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Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 18:46

The sudden appearance of the English flag hung on lamp posts, railings etc has absolutely sickened me, and my dd.
I am proud to be British, but the misappropriation of the flag by thugs, intending to intimidate, is absolutely not acceptable in a diverse society.
So tonight myself and my adult dd ripped them down in our area, and tomorrow we will be going on a flag hunt, to rip down any more we find.
I would strongly urge those of you that feel the same way, to also remove them, as long as you feel safe and comfortable to do it.
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Verv · 26/08/2025 20:43

Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 20:01

I suggest you educate yourself.

Hooray. The white saviour has arrived to recommend education.

MyNameIsX · 26/08/2025 20:59

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Agreed.

Any pretence that Labour are in the centre will be soon disabused of that notion, come November, with the budget.

WhereIsMyJumper · 26/08/2025 21:07

Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 20:01

I suggest you educate yourself.

OP - “I am offended on behalf of all the people who aren’t white!!”

Some people on this thread who aren’t white - “but we don’t mind it”

OP - “how dare you, go educate yourself. The Asian lady in my shop was ‘quietly’* grateful to me”

*I suspect the Asian lady in the shop thought you were an idiot and was embarrassed for you

WhereIsMyJumper · 26/08/2025 21:09

FirstNationsEnglish · 26/08/2025 19:48

What a perfectly English response and so accurate. I love it! Thank you for passing on the smile.

We are even tolerant in our intolerance!

Valeriekat · 26/08/2025 21:11

ilovesooty · 26/08/2025 07:26

So it's not the fault of the thugs if she's beaten up? If that was said in a domestic violence setting it would be classed as victim blaming - and you're not the first person on the thread who's done it.

Of course it is but being right doesn't stop bad things happening. You don't know whose flag you are taking down.

WhereIsMyJumper · 26/08/2025 21:11

Verv · 26/08/2025 20:43

Hooray. The white saviour has arrived to recommend education.

Got to love the irony of the self-confessed middle class white woman (as she says herself - and with all the privilege that brings) explaining to a person who isn’t white that they should educate themselves on how oppressed they are FFS 😂

Valeriekat · 26/08/2025 21:12

Valeriekat · 26/08/2025 21:11

Of course it is but being right doesn't stop bad things happening. You don't know whose flag you are taking down.

And the person whose flag has been removed may well see themselves as the victim of theft.

the5thgoldengirl · 26/08/2025 21:23

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Corcaigher · 26/08/2025 21:25

No OP.

You would be better served channelling your energy and activism into causes with more direct impact and need.

Your actions (and words) project the arrogance of a privileged middle aged white person who thinks they know what’s ‘right’ and everyone else who doesn’t bend the knee in admiration and gratitude ‘wrong’. That sort of perspective also has labels; one is hero complex, there are others.

I don’t need educating, thanks. I am also a privileged middle aged white person with multiple degrees who votes LibDem.

the5thgoldengirl · 26/08/2025 21:25

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Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 21:52

Corcaigher · 26/08/2025 21:25

No OP.

You would be better served channelling your energy and activism into causes with more direct impact and need.

Your actions (and words) project the arrogance of a privileged middle aged white person who thinks they know what’s ‘right’ and everyone else who doesn’t bend the knee in admiration and gratitude ‘wrong’. That sort of perspective also has labels; one is hero complex, there are others.

I don’t need educating, thanks. I am also a privileged middle aged white person with multiple degrees who votes LibDem.

Not once on this thread have I asked for any admiration, I don’t want it or need it.
i dd hope it would raise awareness of why the flag is being used in the way it is now, and I think that has been achieved.
i have received insults and condemnation, and insults have been levelled at my daughter.
Congratulations on adding to the pile on, you must be so proud.
I am genuinely frightened of the way this country is heading, and all the hatred being stirred up, especially recently.
Do not lecture me on what causes I should or should not be fighting for, you know absolutely nothing about me.

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Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 21:55

WhereIsMyJumper · 26/08/2025 21:11

Got to love the irony of the self-confessed middle class white woman (as she says herself - and with all the privilege that brings) explaining to a person who isn’t white that they should educate themselves on how oppressed they are FFS 😂

You are taking what I said completely out of context.
I actually meant they should educate themselves on what the flag is currently being used for.

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SanityLeftTheChat · 26/08/2025 21:59

Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 21:52

Not once on this thread have I asked for any admiration, I don’t want it or need it.
i dd hope it would raise awareness of why the flag is being used in the way it is now, and I think that has been achieved.
i have received insults and condemnation, and insults have been levelled at my daughter.
Congratulations on adding to the pile on, you must be so proud.
I am genuinely frightened of the way this country is heading, and all the hatred being stirred up, especially recently.
Do not lecture me on what causes I should or should not be fighting for, you know absolutely nothing about me.

Frightened of the way this country is heading? Do you say that from your place of middle class privilege, in your nice white little village that hasn't been used as a dumping ground for thousands of young male immigrants who roam the streets in packs harassing women and teenage girls? I'd say us thoroughly fed up working class people in these small towns in the north of England and the Midlands (not the middle class south) are the ones who need to be frightened.

Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 22:01

WhereIsMyJumper · 26/08/2025 21:07

OP - “I am offended on behalf of all the people who aren’t white!!”

Some people on this thread who aren’t white - “but we don’t mind it”

OP - “how dare you, go educate yourself. The Asian lady in my shop was ‘quietly’* grateful to me”

*I suspect the Asian lady in the shop thought you were an idiot and was embarrassed for you

Oh sorry, you were there were you?
And when did I say I was offended on behalf of all people who aren’t white?
If you are going to quote me, at least be accurate.
I am disturbed about the flags, I am disturbed about the direction this country is headed in, I’m happy for you that you are taking it all blithely in your stead.
in the meantime, the shop has had graffiti spray painted on it, more anti immigration shite.
But never mind eh, let’s just have a pop at someone who is at least TRYING to do something.

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Ilovemychocolate · 26/08/2025 22:03

SanityLeftTheChat · 26/08/2025 21:59

Frightened of the way this country is heading? Do you say that from your place of middle class privilege, in your nice white little village that hasn't been used as a dumping ground for thousands of young male immigrants who roam the streets in packs harassing women and teenage girls? I'd say us thoroughly fed up working class people in these small towns in the north of England and the Midlands (not the middle class south) are the ones who need to be frightened.

😂
I live in the Midlands actually.

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the5thgoldengirl · 26/08/2025 22:09

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ThatCyanCat · 26/08/2025 22:16

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Why wouldn't it?

the5thgoldengirl · 26/08/2025 22:18

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MrsClatterbuck · 26/08/2025 22:19

Even the police here in NI wouldn't dare take down flags

Fairyliz · 26/08/2025 22:27

Dontletthebedbugsbite2 · 25/08/2025 18:52

Why? I'm in Scotland and we have flags everywhere. Are English people not allowed to fly the English flag? Genuinely curious. If you ripped down a flag in another country you could face jail time.

No we are not.
If you are English you are supposed to be in a constant state of apology because we are responsible for all of the bad things in the whole wide world.
Obviously no other country in the history of humankind has ever done anything wrong.
It’s hard cross to bear, just thank your lucky stars you were born Scottish.

SanityLeftTheChat · 26/08/2025 22:28

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It shouldn't be happening anywhere. We should not be made to feel unsafe on our own streets yet be called every name under the sun for making these people feel uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure most of them don't anyway.

cardibach · 26/08/2025 22:43

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So where on the political spectrum do you think they lie?

cardibach · 26/08/2025 22:44

MyNameIsX · 26/08/2025 20:59

Agreed.

Any pretence that Labour are in the centre will be soon disabused of that notion, come November, with the budget.

So where do you think they lie on the political spectrum?

cardibach · 26/08/2025 22:46

Valeriekat · 26/08/2025 21:12

And the person whose flag has been removed may well see themselves as the victim of theft.

Is it theft if you deliberately leave your belongings hanging about in public in a place they have no right to be and them lose them?

Duechristmas · 26/08/2025 22:47

I would love to do the same but the guy near us has put them in reach of his camera in each direction (business is on a corner of a busy road) and he loves to share his footage on the local Facebook pages

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