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5128gap · 22/09/2024 08:36

NonsuchCastle · 22/09/2024 00:48

Nobody is "desperate to blame women". We are discussing one particular (at least 35 year old) woman.

As for bringing up sons to respect women etc. well that's so obvious it doesn't need to be said.

We're talking about the woman and what she is doing, not the boys and men. I am quite sure she is "damaged" but it doesn't make her actions any less disgusting.

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No. We're talking about the women AND the men, thank you, as it takes both for this to have occurred. You might prefer to gloss over the disgusting male behaviour in the scenario, but given its by far the greater problem here, in a ratio of one to five thousand in fact, its very much worth a mention.

Alucard55 · 22/09/2024 08:37

If an 18 year old doesn't know what respectful behavior towards women is then we really are in trouble. I think the behavior of this woman is sickening too but just because it's offered it doesn't have to be accepted.

As I said up thread. Wouldn't it be great if no man turned up and instead made a collective stand to say no this type of behavior is disrespectful.

KimberleyClark · 22/09/2024 08:38

New2thisshizzle · 22/09/2024 08:36

It is the society we live in. One which tells men women are objects in so many subtle and overt ways. Objects are things that are used. That's why they can queue without questioning themselves. They've forgotten she's a human being.

She is perpetuating this message too though.

Yes she is.

Alucard55 · 22/09/2024 08:40

Yes she is but men don't need to go along with it.

HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 08:42

How thick are men exactly?

Is that a rhetorical question.

HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 08:46

Wouldn't it be great if no man turned up and instead made a collective stand to say no this type of behavior is disrespectful.

That would never happen, ever, anywhere in the world.

Ever.

I think a lot of women have trouble grasping that a reasonable proportion of men's ongoing objective in life is to stick their dick in someone's orifice.
End of.

It being a woman (if they are hetero) , just a bonus.

It being an attractive woman, big bonus.

It being free, huge bonus.

5128gap · 22/09/2024 08:47

KimberleyClark · 22/09/2024 08:38

Yes she is.

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Of course she is. What's your point? It's perfectly obvious that this one highly unusual and extreme woman is playing into stereotypes about women for her personal gain, and that that's an awful thing to do that contributes to the harm of all women. She has also said some very damaging things about the wives of men who have affairs. I think most of us would agree that she is no bastion of feminism. But how does that excuse or explain the behaviour of the thousands of men involved? The actions of this one woman has not created the monster, she is merely providing it with an outlet.

NowImNotDoingIt · 22/09/2024 08:47

New2thisshizzle · 22/09/2024 08:36

It is the society we live in. One which tells men women are objects in so many subtle and overt ways. Objects are things that are used. That's why they can queue without questioning themselves. They've forgotten she's a human being.

She is perpetuating this message too though.

And that's my main issue with it on her part. That , and glamorising sex "work".

BlackOrangeFrog · 22/09/2024 08:53

imagine if this was a 25 year old man who deliberately targeted 18 year old women who had just started university. And he publicly went out and said "yeah, I'm going to go to the uni, get the girls to agree to being filmed, so then I'll put that up on my streaming service and make money from it... Yeah my woman at home doesn't like it, but she boring in bed, so it's tough luck isn't it? "

KimberleyClark · 22/09/2024 08:56

5128gap · 22/09/2024 08:47

Of course she is. What's your point? It's perfectly obvious that this one highly unusual and extreme woman is playing into stereotypes about women for her personal gain, and that that's an awful thing to do that contributes to the harm of all women. She has also said some very damaging things about the wives of men who have affairs. I think most of us would agree that she is no bastion of feminism. But how does that excuse or explain the behaviour of the thousands of men involved? The actions of this one woman has not created the monster, she is merely providing it with an outlet.

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My point was I was agreeing with the poster I was responding to. Is that not allowed?

MillicentMama · 22/09/2024 08:56

At first I thought you were shaming her for having one night stands… then read the article. Ewwwww!!! That’s revolting.

Queuing up outside. Grim.

NowImNotDoingIt · 22/09/2024 09:01

BlackOrangeFrog · 22/09/2024 08:53

imagine if this was a 25 year old man who deliberately targeted 18 year old women who had just started university. And he publicly went out and said "yeah, I'm going to go to the uni, get the girls to agree to being filmed, so then I'll put that up on my streaming service and make money from it... Yeah my woman at home doesn't like it, but she boring in bed, so it's tough luck isn't it? "

The thing with reversing the sexes is that it doesn't work. How many women would actually queue up for it? Mothers and aunts too? Would he get replies in the thousands?

5128gap · 22/09/2024 09:07

KimberleyClark · 22/09/2024 08:56

My point was I was agreeing with the poster I was responding to. Is that not allowed?

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Of course it is. I just thought you may have some deeper thoughts that had prompted your agreement with the obvious. Specifically around how the obvious serves as a counter argument to the point that this whole sorry scenario is created by male attitudes towards women.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/09/2024 09:07

FifiFalafel · 21/09/2024 22:09

"If women were better in the bedroom, men wouldn’t cheat. All their nagging about pots not being done is resulting in me being bent over their kitchen worktops whilst they’re out.
"I used to blame the men for cheating but since being a sex worker, I blame the woman. Men look else where when they’re bored, so stop boring them."

www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/men-cheat-because-women-moan-33220188?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1720948086

Good god what a revolting young woman.

Grooming young men and also an apologist for men who use prostitutes.

Nice Confused

NowImNotDoingIt · 22/09/2024 09:10

@tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz how is she grooming them?

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/09/2024 09:10

Actually I can decide if I think it's grooming or not.

These definitely something very fucked up tho about her targeting men who are that young.

I've a feeling her derogatory comments towards the partners of the idiots she's slept with may bite her on the arse one day

goestheweasel · 22/09/2024 09:13

The thing with reversing the sexes is that it doesn't work. How many women would actually queue up for it? Mothers and aunts too? Would he get replies in the thousands?

Reversing the sexes is to offer a different lens on the perpetrator, it's less about the young people. It's predatory behaviour due to the ages of the people she is targeting, her sex doesn't change that but yet somehow our perception of men and women means she is viewed differently.

CeruleanBelt · 22/09/2024 09:17

malificent7 · 22/09/2024 08:22

Im sorry but on whst planet is she " old looking?" Missing the point entirely I know but she does not look old.
Has feminism served us at all?

I think when you've got someone like her going on about about how empowering it is to let thousands of strangers shag her for views on the Internet, and targeting men half her age, calling other women boring because she's whoring herself out to married men as if it's the wife that's at fault - feminism still has a long way to go.

I mean, the fact that she's clearly lying about her age is probably because society views older women as past it and unattractive. She's not old enough for MILF porn so she needs to pretend she's young. She's not doing women any favours on any counts.

Why do people think women must be immune from criticism no matter what harm they're doing just because they are a woman?

Feminism means she can do what she likes, and it also means as a woman, I'm allowed to have an opinion on the harm it's doing.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/09/2024 09:17

Henry Cavill would suddenly seem a lot less hot when there’s a camera in my face and he’s wiping his willy on a towel

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This Grin

There's something very Page 3 Beauty too about use of the word Bonk and her coquettish way of standing in the placard picture.

All very weird and gross.

MasterBeth · 22/09/2024 09:19

Can't believe anyone on here who says, "Hmm, this feels like it might be a little bit creepy "

It's fucking revolting and degraded and the cheery local paper story about it like it's the most normal thing in the world is demoralising and wrong-headed. Absolute rape culture personified. Women are just holes to be fucked and shared. Grim as anything.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/09/2024 09:20

Agree with a pp that to compare it the other way round doesn't quite work as young women are probably a bit more reluctant to queue round the block for sloppy seconds and take the chance of the possible careers ruining fallout of having your antics on the internet.

Men are ruled by their dicks in a way women aren't by their vagina

MasterBeth · 22/09/2024 09:25

dutysuite · 21/09/2024 23:47

Wow and the uni is ok with this? Gross.

How is the uni OK with this? It clearly has absolutely nothing to do with the uni.

Alucard55 · 22/09/2024 09:25

HazelPlayer · 22/09/2024 08:46

Wouldn't it be great if no man turned up and instead made a collective stand to say no this type of behavior is disrespectful.

That would never happen, ever, anywhere in the world.

Ever.

I think a lot of women have trouble grasping that a reasonable proportion of men's ongoing objective in life is to stick their dick in someone's orifice.
End of.

It being a woman (if they are hetero) , just a bonus.

It being an attractive woman, big bonus.

It being free, huge bonus.

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I think some of those women are on this thread making excuses for the naive 18 year olds being led astray.

goestheweasel · 22/09/2024 09:27

Men are ruled by their dicks in a way women aren't by their vagina

But these aren't well established men, they're still very young and impressionable, whilst I know it's not illegal it is still predatory, they're being filmed, this could impact their lives down the line.

AnImaginaryCat · 22/09/2024 09:31

Yes she's grim, and the men involved are grubby.

But can we stop with the utter stupid "imagine if it was a man doing this" posts. If a 25 year old man were able to get 5,000 (or even 50) 18 year old women and their mums, to consent and willingly queue up to have sex with him one after the other, I'm the full knowledge it was being filmed and would be uploaed and sold, I don't think we'd need to imagine.

If it would be at all likely, to succes there'd be men in all universities doing it.

Possibly they would have a stall at the fresher's fair. Though they'd miss out on the aunties and the mums wanting to go at the same time as their daughters. (I'm being flippant with this stall comment just in case anyone doesn't pick that up.)