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Scottish rapist’s crime to be recorded as female

89 replies

HermioneKipper · 27/01/2023 00:00

mobile.twitter.com/TomSwarbrick1/status/1618739887687204865

Reported via the BBC that Police Scotland have said:

“Isla Bryson’s offences will not be recorded in the official crime statistics as offences perpetrated by a man”

So will be recorded as a woman’s crime.

NO. Not our crimes.

This cannot stand.

I’m beyond angry. I don’t know what to do, I don’t know how to protest.

HELP

OP posts:
maeveiscurious · 27/01/2023 00:07

Hmm biology denial

HermioneKipper · 27/01/2023 00:09

It’s not just that though is it.

How DARE they say a woman committed rape. It’s such an insult to the victims. They must be going through hell

OP posts:
AndyWarholsPiehole · 27/01/2023 00:13

Perfect. Record it as a woman's crime and then people can claim and use the that 'women rape too!' nonsense argument.

Slow hand clap for Scotland. Angry

IDontCareMatthew · 27/01/2023 00:14

Is there a link?

I've only seen the article about going to a men's prison not women's

QueenOfHiraeth · 27/01/2023 00:14

As an old gimmer can I say "The world has gone fucking mad"!

ScrollingLeaves · 27/01/2023 00:44

This in itself is a crime.

He is not only a man now, he even called himself a man when he did it. He did it with a penis.

Then once this crime is recorded as being a woman’s, they’ll say there is ‘no evidence’ to suggest that men who say they are women commit crimes. What’s to see? ‘No man did that’. ‘What are you talking about? ‘

This is living under a dystopian totalitarian system.

Please would all you angry people sign this petition to Update the Equality Act to make clear that the protected characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex?

This man is not and never will be a woman by sex and no man will ever be. Men commit 98% of violent crimes. Men who say they are women have the same offending rates as ordinary men. Most men who say they are women retain their penis.

Let the Government start with making the language about what sex means - pure biology male and female - absolutely clear.
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Celia24 · 27/01/2023 00:46

So wait a minute. He isn't going to be in a woman's prison but will be recorded as a woman? What an effing joke.

Not sure what you mean 'slow hand clap Scotland' @AndyWarholsPiehole - most of us are against it as polls show.

harrassedmumto3 · 27/01/2023 00:47

A fucking outrage!

Sugarfree23 · 27/01/2023 00:50

I guess what it means is call yourself whatever you like your still going to a male prison.

The words man and woman are becoming meaningless.

Cheekymaw · 27/01/2023 00:50

Absolute b*stards.

AndyWarholsPiehole · 27/01/2023 00:53

Not sure what you mean 'slow hand clap Scotland' @AndyWarholsPiehole - most of us are against it as polls show

Why would you think I was getting at the general public and not Scotland's government and police? Confused

CanStopWillStop · 27/01/2023 00:53

HermioneKipper · 27/01/2023 00:09

It’s not just that though is it.

How DARE they say a woman committed rape. It’s such an insult to the victims. They must be going through hell

It's an interesting bout of cognitive dissonance for Nicola.

Sturgeon: Transwomen ARE 100% Women.
Also Sturgeon: No dangerous men would ever pose as women to take advantage
Also also Sturgeon: We shouldn't send Transwomen rapists to women's prisons, even though they really are women, because they raped someone so we should put them with the men, but I really believe anyone who says they're a woman is a woman, just not this one, okay?

thisismynewface · 27/01/2023 00:57

This is increasingly becoming a thing, men committing horrific crimes like rape being allowed to go into women's prisons.
It literally is unbelievable.
A man posing as a woman (saying they were trans) got his female cell mate pregnant in another case.

I can't actually believe this is happening to us.

You can't win, Taliban on one side Nicola S on the other.

Viviennemary · 27/01/2023 00:59

That is beyond mad. He hadn't even started to transition when the crime was committed. At least that's what I read.

ConcordeOoter · 27/01/2023 01:02

Celia24 · 27/01/2023 00:46

So wait a minute. He isn't going to be in a woman's prison but will be recorded as a woman? What an effing joke.

Not sure what you mean 'slow hand clap Scotland' @AndyWarholsPiehole - most of us are against it as polls show.

Presumably imprisoning someone "not in a women's prison but a woman" also means some super expensive special arrangement tailored to one person. In the modern UK where some basic public services are so strained they often cannot respond even if your life literally depends on it.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/01/2023 01:08

If there is any small benefit to this nonsense it is that it will be really bloody obvious soon how many sex offenders are conveniently identifying as female. There will suddenly be a massive, ridiculous spike in 'women rapists' so the data will be obvious.

ConcordeOoter · 27/01/2023 01:17

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/01/2023 01:08

If there is any small benefit to this nonsense it is that it will be really bloody obvious soon how many sex offenders are conveniently identifying as female. There will suddenly be a massive, ridiculous spike in 'women rapists' so the data will be obvious.

If you think this will definitely not get buried you have not been paying attention.

Rape and sex offenses in general don't matter to the British press if they think it might be unseemly to talk too much about who the perpetrators are. It is as true now as it was during the days of Jimmy Saville and his powerful accomplices, and sadly many things since then.

RecordsTurning · 27/01/2023 01:20

It’s disgusting.

My only hope is that cases like these bring this issue to more people’s attention. I’ve had discussions with people who were not very aware of the wider issues around trans ideology in the last couple of days, due to this case, and they’re appalled now they know. That is a good thing.

I can’t imagine how the victims of this man feel, as if they haven’t been through enough.

DoughnutDreams · 27/01/2023 01:25

This isn't anything to do with Scotland, or proposed changes. The case was heard under current law in line with Westminster and crime statistics have been skewed for this reason in the whole of uk for many years now.
Yes it's an issue but remain clear about which issue you are tackling.

Whitefly · 27/01/2023 01:35

There is something wrong with people who vote in these laws, those demanding them and employees who carry out crimes against humanity.

DulcetTones · 27/01/2023 02:23

Why do we always end up with idiots in charge, making these decisions? Stupid, spineless politicians and law-makers!

DalzielMilngavie · 27/01/2023 02:43

ScrollingLeaves · 27/01/2023 00:44

This in itself is a crime.

He is not only a man now, he even called himself a man when he did it. He did it with a penis.

Then once this crime is recorded as being a woman’s, they’ll say there is ‘no evidence’ to suggest that men who say they are women commit crimes. What’s to see? ‘No man did that’. ‘What are you talking about? ‘

This is living under a dystopian totalitarian system.

Please would all you angry people sign this petition to Update the Equality Act to make clear that the protected characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex?

This man is not and never will be a woman by sex and no man will ever be. Men commit 98% of violent crimes. Men who say they are women have the same offending rates as ordinary men. Most men who say they are women retain their penis.

Let the Government start with making the language about what sex means - pure biology male and female - absolutely clear.
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

This!

Please support this petition, we only need 25k more people sign to trigger a debate.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

AngeloMysterioso · 27/01/2023 03:39

DalzielMilngavie · 27/01/2023 02:43

This!

Please support this petition, we only need 25k more people sign to trigger a debate.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the response to this petition was released a few hours ago.

Long story short… the answer is no.

“Under the Equality Act 2010, providers are already able to restrict the use of spaces/services on the basis of sex and/or gender reassignment where justified. Further clarification is not necessary.”

Yousee · 27/01/2023 05:43

ScrollingLeaves · 27/01/2023 00:44

This in itself is a crime.

He is not only a man now, he even called himself a man when he did it. He did it with a penis.

Then once this crime is recorded as being a woman’s, they’ll say there is ‘no evidence’ to suggest that men who say they are women commit crimes. What’s to see? ‘No man did that’. ‘What are you talking about? ‘

This is living under a dystopian totalitarian system.

Please would all you angry people sign this petition to Update the Equality Act to make clear that the protected characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex?

This man is not and never will be a woman by sex and no man will ever be. Men commit 98% of violent crimes. Men who say they are women have the same offending rates as ordinary men. Most men who say they are women retain their penis.

Let the Government start with making the language about what sex means - pure biology male and female - absolutely clear.
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I just signed the petition and this is the response. It's apparently just us little femalz getting a bit muddled again. What a farce.

Government responded
This response was given on 26 January 2023

Under the Equality Act 2010, providers are already able to restrict the use of spaces/services on the basis of sex and/or gender reassignment where justified. Further clarification is not necessary.

SpaceMonitor · 27/01/2023 06:20

How fucking predictable. He wasn’t even claiming to be a woman when he committing rape WITH HIS PENIS! Has anyone started a petition about correctly recording the sex of offenders?

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