Scottish rapist’s crime to be recorded as female

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Reported via the BBC that Police Scotland have said:

“Isla Bryson’s offences will not be recorded in the official crime statistics as offences perpetrated by a man”

So will be recorded as a woman’s crime.

NO. Not our crimes.

This cannot stand.

I’m beyond angry. I don’t know what to do, I don’t know how to protest.

HELP

Please tell me that Scottish women are protesting against this and demanding Sturgeon’s resignation ?

To quote Scotland’s social justice secretary Shona Robison (my bolds) -

“The first thing I would say is to point again to the evidence given by the Scottish Human Rights Commission where they were very clear that there is no body of evidence, at least in the countries that have now got a system of statutory declaration, that points to bad faith actors trying to use this process in order to abuse women and girls,” she said.

“All of the evidence really points that the abuse of women and girls comes from predatory men who there’s no evidence of them using a system of statutory declaration for gender recognition in order to abuse women and girls.

“There’s just no evidence of that.”

They are head in the sand, fingers in ears ignoring the issue of violent men in women's prisons and have allowed the Scottish Prison System to set policy, advised by a political lobby group who said - ‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

They already responded and said...

The Government's response
Under the Equality Act 2010, providers are already able to restrict the use of spaces/services on the basis of sex and/or gender reassignment where justified. Further clarification is not necessary.

The Equality Act 2010 provides protection against discrimination, harassment and victimisation across a number of grounds, including sex. We are committed to upholding Britain’s long-standing record of protecting the rights of individuals against unlawful discrimination.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) have published guidance on the existing legislation which provides much needed clarity to those offering single-sex spaces. It does not change the legal position or the law.

As the guidance makes clear, it is entirely acceptable for providers of single-sex services to take account of the biological sex of their service users. Where it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, the Equality Act 2010 is clear that service providers can exclude, modify or limit access for transgender people, even where they have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC). This includes where a service provider has concerns that the presence of individuals who are biologically male could prevent them from meeting their aims, such as in the example below, included in the guidance:

“A group counselling session is provided for female victims of sexual assault. The organisers do not allow trans women to attend as they judge that the clients who attend the group session are likely to be traumatised by the presence of a person who is biologically male.”

It is important that providers of single-sex services are clear that biological sex can be taken into consideration when providing services.

The Government is committed to maintaining the safeguards that allow organisations to provide single-sex spaces. It is important that the principle of being able to operate spaces reserved for women and girls is maintained. Government is committed to tackling harassment and abusive behaviours by all individuals, and ensuring single-sex spaces are safe for those using them.

But women are incapable of rape, so it’s impossible that it’s a female crime.

Hang on a minute…
If a crime is committed by a child, at an age that they are below the age of criminal responsibility, then they are tried as a child.
This ruling means that if it takes enough time to get to court and the child is no longer below the age of criminal responsibility, then surely they should be tried as an adult? No - that’s not what happens…
It doesn’t make any sense at all. At the time the rapes were committed, the defendant was a MAN so should be tried and imprisoned as a man.
Then they can find out first hand their error in their attempted manipulation of the justice system, and discourage those who try to pervert the course of justice in future.

FFS 🤦‍♀️ Scotland has gone nuts- pity I live here.

Shona Robinson is a disgrace. I don’t know what mental gymnastics she puts her brain through to concoct such outrageous word salad. I don’t know how she sleeps at night.

If the police record this crime as being committed by a woman, they will be lying. How can the public trust the authorities if they don’t tell the truth?

Surely an offence has to be recorded as committed by the gender the person was at the time they committed the offence?
The rape was committed by a man. He subsequently "decided" he was a woman but he identified as a man when he committed the rape

For those who haven't seen these -

archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

There have been various women convicted of rape over the years

www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/mar/17/sarahhall

www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-jailed-life-rape-and-sexual-abuse-young-girl

They are few, but they do exist.

I also have a male friend who has had a women force herself on him, but as the definition of rape is a legal definition, that was not considered rape.

So mad I tried to sign the petition not recalling I already did it a couple of days ago! We just can't stand for this.

This is what happens when language is muddled.

In the UK the crime of rape is defined as penetration with a penis. Only a person with a penis (we used to have a word for that) could commit the crime of rape.

Now that people with penises can be women, which is the end game for gender ideology, rape can be a crime committed by a woman in the UK.

This is why many feminists on these boards are objecting to changing language.

It was interesting the other day because a women (the cervix kind) in the US was flabbergasted that there is no word in the US for rape by penetration of a penis as that doesn't exist as a crime in it's on right in the US. Rape can be penetration by penis or by insertion of an object.

Either way this whole thing is disgusting and only benefits penis people.

Wouldn't it be great to get our words and our rights to be treated as separate from the penis people back?

The entire terminology surrounding crime against women needs to be changed.

X amount of women were raped in January - No, X amount of men raped women in January.

It’s probably more of a slow clap for your First Minister, who once again shows how inept she is.

Although I agree in theory, in practice that can't be done (unless you have a 100% clear up rate for all rapes).

10 women raped could mean 1 man raping, or 10, or more ....

A quick read says that the woman in Cheshire was not convicted of rape.

If there's any silver lining, it's that this whole thing has shon a big bright light on the issues. People who hadn't given the matter any thought are now talking about it.

She was convicted of 34 offenses, one of which was rape.

I've searched 'Police Scotland' and 'transgender' to see if there's anything on whether Bryson's crimes will be recorded as committed by a man or woman but didn't find anything. However there were articles in February last year (2022) saying Police Scotland were reviewing their policy of recording people by how they self-identify their gender. An article by The Ferret in April 2022 said that the Scottish Policy Authority had upheld the policy.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-scotland-launch-review-of-policy-which-lets-male-rapists-identify-as-wome/

theferret.scot/trans-victims-of-crime-still-self-id-home-office/

So maybe it is true and the media haven't twigged yet.

Meanwhile, the front pages of Scottish newspapers today is a sight to behold, especially The Scottish Sun:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64422632

As for what TRAs think of Bryson, they'll probably rely on the fact that he decided to transition after being charged, suggesting it was a deliberate ploy and therefore he isn't a 'real' TW. Even Nicola managed to weasel out of it in her radio interview this week by referring to a situation where someone misuses transitioning, rather than saying a transwoman rapist shouldn't be in a women's prison.

Worth noting that Sturgeon very carefully said this predator would not now go to Cornton Vale along with lots of performance shock horror that rapists don't belong in women's prisons.

She did not say that the rapist would not be housed in a women's unit. Women's units exist in men's prisons.

This is exactly what Sturgeon, SNP and Greens and far too many on both sides at Westminster insist would never happen because predators wouldn't do nasty things like take advantage of any gaps in safeguarding. Apparently none of these people have any knowledge of history.

I disagree.

Firstly because it is redundant: every rapist is a man. Nobody should need to state this.

Secondly "men" is an immutable characteristic of many innocent people and explicitly stating "they" do it like it is done collectively is prejudice: not all men are rapists

Explicitly prejudiced language in public life, grounded in truth or not, becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, we should leave it as it is because changing the language will actually serve to HIDE the reality that is going to be clearly detectable by looking at crime statistics.

ConcordeOoter · Today 12:13

Also, we should leave it as it is because changing the language will actually serve to HIDE the reality that is going to be clearly detectable by looking at crime statistics.

I thought that at present, under our current use of language, males who commit a crime who say they are women have their crime recorded as a woman’s crime. So the crime statistics are hidden.

At the moment there is no codified concept of women raping, so all instances of females convicted are obvious.

Once we introduce the idea of women raping, we will see many of the sex offences committed by women categorized as "rape" and the problem will disappear in a puff of statistical fuckery as so many other serious sex crimes have before.

“There’s just no evidence of that.”

Well there is now a woman with a penis has been convicted of rape.

Definitely keep it in the woman crime stats don't get it buried in with male crimes the more women with penis crimes are listed as that the harder it becomes for people to say women with penii should be allowed to share women with vaginas spaces.

Has anyone already done a freedom of information request to see how many women were convicted of rape in 2022?

I was thinking of doing one, but not sure how to word it without them going "shields up!"