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To update about The Family Sex Show

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theDudesmummy · 19/04/2022 16:36

There are active two threads on this in Feminism but I feel I just have to update here for traffic. Although protests appear to have, for now, stopped the theatre production going ahead, new and highly disturbing material has today appeared on their webpage, clearly aimed at children. It (cheerily and breezily) suggests, among other things, that children search for images of masturbating animals on the internet and then draw what they see. I am not going to Google that term, I really don't want that in my history, but first, can you imagine what children will be exposed to if they search that, and second, this is pure and simple grooming of children into being abused. Masturbating animals? What larks! Lets have an arts and crafts session about it! Next steps: Masturbating with Uncle Jim? Why not? Masturbating Uncle Jim? Of course!

I have now made a complaint to CEOP. Others may wish to as well.

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theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 08:08

@picklemewalnuts I have sent another email to the NSPCC, about the online activity of the company this time, rather than the stage show, and I included a link to that tweet. It is unbelievable isn't it.

"Does it unnerve you if my body misbehaves?"

IN PLAIN SIGHT FFS.

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theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 08:11

I am getting quite depressed about this. Let's just put the porn mags among the Peppa Pig ones in Tesco....why the hell not. Better yet, Peppa Pig porn, of course. Funded by the Arts Council.

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 21/04/2022 08:17

@theDudesmummy wow, that definition of CSA really lays it out loud and clear.

Most older women (and obviously mums) instinctively just know that is is creepy, wrong, grooming and that the police probably should get involved.

amazing how some males (and other random creeps) don’t get it.

If any single mum here didn’t see the problem with these, please, please be very careful with any potential boyfriends. There are pedophiles out there, trying to get access to children and they will simultaneously pretend to be the perfect boyfriend whilst trying to break down boundaries with their girlfriend’s children.

Organictangerine · 21/04/2022 08:24

Every time you think it can’t get worse…

theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 08:28

Completely right @Doubletoilandtrouble . I work with those very children, in their adulthood. I have heard hundreds of times exactly how the boundaries get eroded. And how the abuse starts. This material put out by TFSS is a massive gift to the abusers. It's like a Twinkl worksheet for them. Come on, let's try this fun stuff. They don't even need to bother to write their own scripts any more...

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theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 08:43

This is a good tweet

twitter.com/CarefulKarenin/status/1516907376917590033?t=dr86uOmoGVa1MNhpQuxjLQ&s=19

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KittenKong · 21/04/2022 08:45

That creature in dunblane - he was known to have an unhealthy interest in children. ‘Nothing could be done’ to keep children safe from him.

why is child safety so lacking? We can see this for what it is.

Organictangerine · 21/04/2022 08:53

So that Laurence Cook works for the BBC and also worked on the family sex show. His profile photo is of himself standing with a naked mannequin of a small child. One to keep an eye on

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theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 09:01

Crikey @Organictangerine they REALLY don't bother to hide who/what they are, do they? Impunity. This is what we have come to.

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apricotlane · 21/04/2022 09:17

Um. Should we not be careful about slandering individuals? Maybe what could be considered hysterical is the assumption that these people are definitely predatory. The useful idiot is part of a deception themselves no? They believe themselves to be doing good. Cultural delusion is a big problem no? Look at the atrocities people commit under the influence of group-think. It's a bit more complex...isn't it? Some of these people are heavily immersed in queer cultism and society has let lots of this stuff spiral...

I think many people involved with this are misguided and unwittingly perpetrating evil, but I think the intentions are confused and a direct product of our cultural soup of what is right and wrong, particularly sexually.

Am I being too kind here? I really am loathe to paint everyone involved as actual predators.

Organictangerine · 21/04/2022 09:22

I think if they were happy to put their name to the family sex show before public opinion turned they should be happy to put their name to it after 🤷🏼‍♀️ they don’t get to suddenly conceal their identities because it turns out the public don’t like sex shows for children.

Anyway my point was mainly that I think it’s interesting that allegedly a few people who worked on TFSS also work for the BBC who wrote such a sympathetic article.

DomesticatedZombie · 21/04/2022 09:25

involving children in looking at, or in the production of, sexual images, watching sexual activities, encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways, or grooming a child in preparation for abuse (including via the internet).”

That seems fairly clear cut, no?

lameasahorse · 21/04/2022 09:32

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theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 09:33

I reminded the NSPCC of that definition in my email today, alongside descriptions of the animals who masturbate arts and crafts activity, and the penis song inciting actual maturbation.

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FollowTheLizards · 21/04/2022 09:33

*schoolofsexed.org/team

In case you wanted to meet the team of experts or sexperts behind this very official and experienced sounding organisation....*

It's shocking to see Girlguiding as one of the partners/supporters!

theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 09:33

@lameasahorse what has that got to do with it? No-one is saying it is.

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theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 09:35

Is it really the Family Naturist Show and they just made a typo in the title?

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lameasahorse · 21/04/2022 09:36

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And drawing pictures of masturbating animals after looking at Animal Porn is totally fine. In Clown world.

theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 09:43

They deliberately blurred the boundaries of what was for who. And presumably the penis song was to appear in the show? The Guardian certainly indicated the clitoris one was. And the show was labelled as being for 5+.

The intention clearly was for children (and groomers) to go and see the show and then explore the related online material. Preferably (for the groomers) together.

In any case, producing a clearly child-orientated song inviting mutual masturbation is not a great idea, even if you say it is for 16+. Nothing to stop the groomers using it for young children anyway, to whom it was deliberately designed to appeal.

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Rosscameasdoody · 21/04/2022 09:44

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And what age range was ‘ode to the clitoris’ aimed at ?

Organictangerine · 21/04/2022 09:46

16 year olds are perfectly capable of making up their own immature penis songs, they don’t need a theatre company to do it for them. But this is part of the problem - there was no clear separation of material by age of audience, just a big jumble of pegging, nudity and clitoris songs for everyone.

pollypokcet · 21/04/2022 09:47

@apricotlane

Um. Should we not be careful about slandering individuals? Maybe what could be considered hysterical is the assumption that these people are definitely predatory. The useful idiot is part of a deception themselves no? They believe themselves to be doing good. Cultural delusion is a big problem no? Look at the atrocities people commit under the influence of group-think. It's a bit more complex...isn't it? Some of these people are heavily immersed in queer cultism and society has let lots of this stuff spiral...

I think many people involved with this are misguided and unwittingly perpetrating evil, but I think the intentions are confused and a direct product of our cultural soup of what is right and wrong, particularly sexually.

Am I being too kind here? I really am loathe to paint everyone involved as actual predators.

You think this is slander? On Twitter people are outright calling them you-know-what. This lot have a lot on their hands if they're going to take legal action against every comment.

This bloke has doubled down, refused to remove the picture and just put his account on private. More than a useful idiot, they love the outrage.

theDudesmummy · 21/04/2022 09:53

I don't know about your children, but my son, when we go to an event or destination, invariably looks up stuff related to it online before and afterwards. We went to a show recently and he spent the next day rewatching YouTube clips of it and researching the cast and past productions. That was clearly the intention with the children who were to go to TFSS and then explore the online material.

I have fairly tight controls on what my son sees and have three different parental blockers on all his devices, including one that lets me see exactly what videos he has watched on YouTube and block whole channels if I wish. None of them is free, or even cheap, and they all require a significant level of supervision and upkeep. Not every parent is going to (or is going to be able to) have that level of scrutiny.

And what about the parents (and as they call them on the website, guardians ie any adult in the child's life) who who will be wishing to actively encourage the child to engage with the fluffy slippers to animal wanking to mutual masturbating continuum offered on a plate by this organisation?

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Doubletoilandtrouble · 21/04/2022 10:53

I am shocked that people still are defending this. Honestly, if you have children, please try to see what women here are saying.

as for the weirdos behind this… From another thread. they are “teasing” the materials.

“How can I make it hurt less” WTAF!!!

These people should go to jail. No girl should do anything sexual which hurts. And to have this in online in preparation for a “family sex show” aimed at 5 years +, I have no words.

mobile.twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1481933166449672199?t=Oeb3uLodF9J-gp7bqneJjQ&s=19

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