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What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

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jgw1 · 28/01/2022 17:14

Part 4

OP posts:
DuncinToffee · 30/01/2022 19:36

[quote Clavinova]DuncinToffee
A reminder it is not just 'partygate'

Peter Stefanovic hasn't even checked his facts properly - e.g. he claims that there was a 'working' Covid tracing app in Poland in June 2020 - and yet by September 2020 only 1.9% of the population in Poland had downloaded the app.

notesfrompoland.com/2020/09/11/uptake-of-covid-contact-tracing-app-under-2-in-poland-among-the-lowest-rates-in-europe/[/quote]
What about the other facts?

jgw1 · 30/01/2022 19:36

[quote Clavinova]DuncinToffee
A reminder it is not just 'partygate'

Peter Stefanovic hasn't even checked his facts properly - e.g. he claims that there was a 'working' Covid tracing app in Poland in June 2020 - and yet by September 2020 only 1.9% of the population in Poland had downloaded the app.

notesfrompoland.com/2020/09/11/uptake-of-covid-contact-tracing-app-under-2-in-poland-among-the-lowest-rates-in-europe/[/quote]
Sound very reminiscent to those trying to claim that the UK's vaccine roll out was the most successful in the world because the first 1.9% of vaccines were given before other countries.

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Clavinova · 30/01/2022 19:37

a country where the leader thought that drinking bleach was a good solution?

Disputed here -

Our ruling
Biden said Trump said drinking bleach could help fight the coronavirus. Trump did not specifically recommend ingesting disinfectants, but he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body, such as the lungs. We rate Biden’s claim Mostly False.

eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

cakeorwine · 30/01/2022 19:38

@Clavinova

How do you define a new hospital?

If I knock down a hospital wing and build a new wing, have I built a new hospital?

jgw1 · 30/01/2022 19:40

[quote Clavinova]a country where the leader thought that drinking bleach was a good solution?

Disputed here -

Our ruling
Biden said Trump said drinking bleach could help fight the coronavirus. Trump did not specifically recommend ingesting disinfectants, but he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body, such as the lungs. We rate Biden’s claim Mostly False.

eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/[/quote]
I stand corrected, thank you @Clavinova

Have I understood correctly that what you are trying to say is that in 2020 Boris "we got all the big decisions right" Johnson's leadership led to more deaths per million of the population than in a country where the leader thought that putting bleach in the lungs might be a good solution?

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Clavinova · 30/01/2022 19:41

DuncinToffee
What about the other facts?

The facts about France and Australia having 'working' tracing apps?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8510941/Coronavirus-contact-tracing-apps-flop-France-Australia.html

cakeorwine · 30/01/2022 19:42

@Clavinova

A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right?

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute.

www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23

What was he saying here?

Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 19:42

@Clavinova You are right, Trump didn't suggest drinking disinfectant he suggested injecting through the skin, into the lungs....

I'd stop digging now.. maybe "go out"

DuncinToffee · 30/01/2022 19:44

[quote Clavinova]DuncinToffee
What about the other facts?

The facts about France and Australia having 'working' tracing apps?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8510941/Coronavirus-contact-tracing-apps-flop-France-Australia.html[/quote]
Keep going

cakeorwine · 30/01/2022 19:45

I think Trump thought that as bleach kills the virus, then if we inhaled bleach into our lungs, it could kill the virus.

Heck, that's probably true. But there might be side effects.

jgw1 · 30/01/2022 19:47

[quote cakeorwine]@Clavinova

A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right?

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute.

www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23

What was he saying here?[/quote]
Is that more or less coherent than the Peppa Pig World story, I'm not sure I can tell?

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Clavinova · 30/01/2022 19:47

What was he saying here?

You would have to be a bit of a twit if you thought he said drink some bleach.

FatFredsFriedEgg · 30/01/2022 19:48

[quote Clavinova]DuncinToffee
What about the other facts?

The facts about France and Australia having 'working' tracing apps?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8510941/Coronavirus-contact-tracing-apps-flop-France-Australia.html[/quote]
DM, facts? Really?

It's not the point though, you're just deflecting as usual.

I hope you're paid extremely well for this because that's the only way I can imagine anyone could live with themselves for propagating the rubbish you post on here.

If you're being well paid then I think you're disgusting. If (bizarrely) your posts defending the indefensible are based on your actual beliefs then I think you're a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Just my opinion.

cakeorwine · 30/01/2022 19:50

@Clavinova

What was he saying here?

You would have to be a bit of a twit if you thought he said drink some bleach.

And a bit of a prat to think that it was safe to inject or inhale bleach into the lungs.
FatFredsFriedEgg · 30/01/2022 19:50

@Clavinova

What was he saying here?

You would have to be a bit of a twit if you thought he said drink some bleach.

He said that we should inject it!
Clavinova · 30/01/2022 19:51

DuncinToffee
Keep going

No - I'm bored of Peter Stefanovic - I haven't seen his video clip for several months - people have obviously lost interest.

Clavinova · 30/01/2022 19:52

He said that we should inject it!

Did any twits in the US inject themselves with bleach?

jgw1 · 30/01/2022 19:52

@Clavinova

What was he saying here?

You would have to be a bit of a twit if you thought he said drink some bleach.

You are correct I was a bit of a twit to think that Trump would be saying something as remotely sensible as drinking bleach.

Now that I have read the transcript of what he said it is even more bizarre. The most charitable interpretation would appear to be that Trump was saying that bleach should be injected into the lungs.

And this is the guy you are holding up as being more successful in combating covid than Boris "got all the big decisions right" Johnson.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 19:53

@Clavinova

He said that we should inject it!

Did any twits in the US inject themselves with bleach?

You are our resident expert on google, you tell us.
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FatFredsFriedEgg · 30/01/2022 19:54

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DuncinToffee · 30/01/2022 19:54

@Clavinova

DuncinToffee Keep going

No - I'm bored of Peter Stefanovic - I haven't seen his video clip for several months - people have obviously lost interest.

What a surprise
cakeorwine · 30/01/2022 19:55

@Clavinova

He said that we should inject it!

Did any twits in the US inject themselves with bleach?

Now isn't that a question.

Who knows. There may have been an increase in incidents involving bleach and it's easy to do a Google search - but I did hear that being debunked.

Trump did have a hold over people though. And people do strange things if it thinks it will help them. See Laurence Fox and Ivermectin

Blossomtoes · 30/01/2022 19:56

The trouble is, the dullards (such as John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May) are often no good at getting things done.

John Major got peace in Northern Ireland done. Blair finished it off and got all the credit but Major did the heavy lifting. Brown ran the economy perfectly for ten years, he got plenty done. Given a choice between integrity and “getting things done”, I’ll take integrity.

echt · 30/01/2022 19:57

@Clavinova

DuncinToffee Keep going

No - I'm bored of Peter Stefanovic - I haven't seen his video clip for several months - people have obviously lost interest.

The boredom, let's move is exactly Boris Johnson's tactic.

Fuck the truth.