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Less than 100 days and counting... (Trump thread #103)

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Roussette · 01/08/2020 07:49

Here we go...

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pinkbalconyrailing · 30/08/2020 19:19

I really hope the fda doesn't forgo best practice.
remember the scandal about side effects for the first swine flu vaccines?

lionheart · 30/08/2020 19:57

A summary without the paywall.

www.rawstory.com/2020/08/rod-rosenstein-secretly-crippled-the-mueller-investigation-report/

Roussette · 31/08/2020 12:49

So uplifting. The Resistance Revival Choir in Times Sq, NY

twitter.com/ResistanceRev/status/899749105202860032

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Roussette · 31/08/2020 13:00

John Pavlovitz

johnpavlovitz.com/2018/06/30/americas-greatest-threat-isnt-coming-across-its-borders/

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lionheart · 31/08/2020 13:34

Smile Smile

lionheart · 31/08/2020 18:13

Some detail on the battle over taxes.

www.justsecurity.org/72227/does-cy-vance-already-have-the-trump-organization-tax-returns/

AcrossthePond55 · 31/08/2020 18:19

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Speed the vaccine being available in the US: Trump wants it out well before November 3rd, doesn't he. So the FDA guidelines and previous regulations will be ignored, and the FDA's reputation will be lost for between ten and fifty years depending how many people die as a result.
Yep, that's it in a nutshell.

As it stands I'm not going to rush out and be vaccinated whilst Scrotus is still in office IF he forces the release of the vaccine before the election. And I certainly think he will if he can. Let his cult members be the 'crash test dummies'.

I'll wait until Biden is in office and things get back to normal. If Biden's FDA says the vaccine is safe then I'll gladly be vaccinated.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 31/08/2020 18:48

Really interesting stuff re the taxes lionheart. I want to be hopeful...

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 31/08/2020 19:11

Once it has been through Phase III testing in Europe (which is likely not to be complete before November) and found to be both efficacious and safe, you would probably be ok to use it. But the FDA reputation will not be recovered if it is, because they okayed it when they did not have that information.

lionheart · 31/08/2020 19:13

I'm glad they are ticking all the boxes NorthWest.

pinkbalconyrailing · 31/08/2020 19:25

after phase 3 studies are complete (or verg very promising) the companies can apply for licences at the relevant authorities.
the licensing process usually takes more than a year. the medicines need to be safe and effective or it's a disaster.

for europe that's the EMA. I think I have read somewhere that they want to speed the process up but without compromising due diligence.

cozietoesie · 31/08/2020 20:34
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Lweji · 31/08/2020 21:28

Speeding up the process should mean something more like all hands on deck and prioritising over other requests under analysis. Not a compromise on safety or tests necessary.

There is an exception when a drug or similar is demonstrably superior to other options, or its efficacy is clear. In such cases trials can be halted, even, and it will be given to the people taking the placebo. But this is based on solid data.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 31/08/2020 22:35

An interesting thread from (Lt. Colonel) Alexander S Vindman (remember him from the impeachment hearings?) about Trump's declining support in the military.

twitter.com/avindman/status/1300533874221613056?s=21

www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

TheNorthWestPawsage · 31/08/2020 22:42

Also Trump is due to give (another waste of time and space) news conference imminently but who cares...?

Heffalooomia · 31/08/2020 23:37

Very weird loss of balance incident at the start of this, quite peculiar movements I thought 😳
m.youtube.com/watch?v=89_9RJbqB-o

lionheart · 31/08/2020 23:44

I think Biden just started a 'Don't Jump!' avalanche.

twitter.com/i/status/1300530456539127809

Roussette · 01/09/2020 08:12

I've just watched BBC News with a clip of Trump supporting the gunman killing two protestors. Awful. Shocking. No surprise.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 01/09/2020 14:07

There are clips of this interview on many Twitter accounts. But believe me you don't need to see them. Dangerous and delusional.

Trump's 'plane loaded with thugs' rumor matches months-old conspiracy theory
Evidence-free social media posts about groups of people coming to terrorize suburbs have thrived in recent months, inspiring some people to arm themselves.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-s-plane-loaded-thugs-rumor-matches-months-old-facebook-n1238962

The conspiracy theory that President Donald Trump pushed on Monday that a plane “almost completely loaded with thugs” was set to disrupt protests was almost identical to a rumor that went viral on Facebook three months ago.

In an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Trump claimed that “we had somebody get on a plane from a certain city this weekend, and in the plane it was almost completely loaded with thugs, wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms, with gear and this and that.”

He then claimed the matter was “under investigation right now.”

There is no evidence of any such plane flight. When Ingraham asked for more information about the flight, the president said, "I'll tell you sometime."

Before mentioning the dark uniformed men who allegedly boarded a plane, Trump claimed that there are “people that are in the dark shadows” and “people that you haven’t heard of” controlling Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

Ingraham pressed the president for more details and said it sounded like he was alleging a conspiracy.

“They’re people that are on the streets. They’re people that are controlling the streets,” Trump said.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/09/2020 14:17

@Roussette

I've just watched BBC News with a clip of Trump supporting the gunman killing two protestors. Awful. Shocking. No surprise.
I saw that. Surprised he didn't use the phrase 'very fine person'.

He is abhorrent.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 01/09/2020 14:51

“They’re people that are on the streets. They’re people that are controlling the streets,” Trump said.

That would be his uniformed, anonymous armed thugs in Portland, then? And the gangs assembling in various towns like Bethal for showdowns with locals protesting peacefully (with cookies)?